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The different flavors of PCM are easy to understand, just changes in bit-depth and sample rate.
What's all this DSD 2x and 128 and 356 or whatever?
How many different formats are there? Are any of them likely to become prominent as the 'standard bearer' for DSD?
Any info welcome.
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How many companies record in "pure" DSD today? Will DSD have to compete with PCM?How long will it take to develop a "critical mass" of new DSD recordings? SACD never did.
Why reissue old analog recordings in DSD to the current mass population, that does not care about ancient popular recordings???
When will DSD "not" take up too much space for large collections, and at a reasonable cost?
How many people's stereo systems will benefit from the quality improvement, that they, or anyone, else can not hear?
How many people of today think, even CD quality is overkill?
DSD is an audiophile's "wet dream" that nobody, but them give hoot about.
DSD is years and years away!
You will be dead first!
Edits: 05/17/14 05/17/14
I try to make most of my recordings in 'pure' DSD. That means mixing at the sessions with minimum of post production so that I do not go into DXD to edit and back to DSD for the mastertape. (Guardian Angel of Rachel Podger is a good example.)
In the meantime, the new site of nativedsd.com is up and running - though in beta mode. Channel is completely up, Harmonia mundi are being added every week. We have London Symphony coming,Fone, Challenge etc. So there will be plenty of stereo and multichannel. There will also be 128, adn 256 files being added the beginning of June. It will be good to have the labels who record in DSD be together on one place so that we can really do promotions together and make a statement!
nt
It will be awsome to finally get the Sony Z1!
You think that is not a rip-off?
Same craziness for Hi-Rez downloads IMO!
Seems reasonable.
Or should all Music be Free?
The same album on CD from Amazon is less!Much less digital info for a higher price.
Edits: 05/20/14
wrong.
File sizes areage 1.5-2.5 GB, no problem for me.
To me, everything sounds better in DSD, PCM, Hi-Rez, what have you.
Like others here, I make my own DSD Live recordings, ( next one Monday Night ), can play DSD or any other Downloads, that sound great on my Stereo, and Yes, the Difference is obvious.
Enjoy your mp3s, tho, if you aren't too bummed that someone is enjoying and valuing DSD, which isn't dead, will definitly out live me!
It is harder to create DSD (ADC) than to play it (DAC). This is especially true at double rate DSD (DSD128) or quadruple rate DSD (DSD256).
Recently there have been some new DSD analog to digital converters that work at higher sampling rates than DSD64 and that sound good. However, after listening to a bunch of recordings made from the same analog master tape using various DSD converters, the best sounding one to my ears was still the Grimm Audio ADC, which runs at DSD64. (My DAC only plays DSD64 and DSD128 so I didn't listen to any of the DSD256 recordings.) Read the linked thread. I assume that the sample recordings are still online. Bruce B, the creator of this thread, is a DSD guru.
DSD64 is presently only a niche format, as SACD failed in the marketplace. It seems unlikely to ever branch out beyond a niche, audiophile marketplace. DSD128 and DSD256 recordings are beginning to emerge, but these are a niche of an already niche marketplace. I don't see this changing any time soon.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
It is harder to create DSD (ADC) than to play it (DAC). This is especially true at double rate DSD (DSD128) or quadruple rate DSD (DSD256). Recently there have been some newer DSD analog to digital converters that work at higher sampling rates than DSD64 and that sound good. However, after listening to a bunch of recordings made from the same analog master tape using various DSD converters, the best sounding one to my ears was still the Grimm Audio ADC, which runs at DSD64. Many of the Channel Classics recordings are direct bit for bit copies of the output of this DSD64 ADC. (My DAC only plays DSD64 and DSD128 so I didn't listen to any of the DSD256 recordings.) Read the linked thread. I assume that the sample recordings that I auditioned are still online.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Up front: No guru credentials here, so apply as many grains of salt as you consider appropriate to the rest of this.Hard to say which flavor will become the "standard bearer," but my take is that, as with so much else in audio, implementation is the key. My home office setup includes a DSD128- (and DXD-) capable DAC, and I've listened to a fair amount of downloaded DSD64 and DSD128 program lately, mostly classical and jazz, and not a little of it based on analog sources.
Where I've been able to compare, using sample downloads available from 2L (and albeit with DSD64 and DSD128 transfers based on DXD masters), I find 128 a touch more liquid. On the other hand, I just downloaded the Tilson Thomas/San Francisco Symphony Mahler Third DSD64, a transfer using the original DSD master tapes. Stunning in its tonality, flow, spaciousness, and dynamics. Obviously a transfer made with care. So I don't get hung up on the digits following "DSD".
Jim
http://jimtranr.com
Edits: 05/13/14
I think of it as Higher Resolution, like the Hubble before and after improvements.
They're the same Stars, but more resolution is better. I haven't yet heard Double DSD or whatever may be beyond that, but i intend to get the Z1 at some point.
I know what the Hubble is but the rest of your post makes no sense and has no information.
But thanks for playing.
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DSD is single bit.
To play it, noise shaping is needed.
This generates a high amount of quantization noise.
In case of DSD64 this noise becomes high around 20 kHz.
It will probably mask any musical signal above that point.
In case of DSD128 the same happens of course but now at 40 kHz so much further outside our audible range.
Maybe the link below is of use.
The Well Tempered Computer
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