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I have listened to the Kitajenko conducted Tschaikowsky Manfred Symphony numerous times over the past two years. My opinions have evolved but not by that much. Out of the gate I found this recording to have far and away superior sound than other Manfred’s I own but thought that the performance came up a bit short in passion, particularly the second movement. But recently I listened a couple of more times and I honestly can’t tell you what my apprehension was about. Perhaps I have become acclimated to Kitajenko’s interpretation or whatever but this Manfred is flat out my favorite performance of the half a dozen+ recordings I own.
I made some comparisons between three of several Manfred's I have on hand, Muti/Philharmonia/EMI (Lp), Kobayashi/Exton and Kitajenko/Oehms. Regarding recording quality, it is the sun lit clarity that separates Kitajenko recording from the rest.......especially given the complexity and the complex passages that are played at fortissimo. The transparency rivals what one might expect from a well-done chamber recording. And here's the possible rub, the clarity seems to exceed (on some levels) what one might find at a live performance…....depending on where you are seated. Of course, what some consider "clarity" others may find "etched". But I believe you may draw that conclusion only if you are using “recordings” as your reference and not a live experience in a good seat. As an experienced concert attendee I find there is nothing “etched” about this recording.
The transparency is most appreciated at the explosive fortissimo(s) that I understand are among the loudest ever written in classical music and certainly the loudest written by the Tschaikowsky. Whereas Kobayashi loud passages sound like a "glob" (by comparison) with Kitajenko you can make out the "molecular" components of the musical explosion. Its kind of like in the old days when we saw photos of Saturn's almost solid looking rings compared to present day photos that show the tens of thousands of matter, large and small, that comprise those rings.
But, and this is key, it is the strikingly black *quiet* passages that are utterly indispensable to transparency that make those loudest ever Tschaikowsky passages so *musically* effective and not just noisy music. For example, in the first movement there are three distinct stages. In between the stages there is utter quiet. The other side of that quiet is where the full orchestra forces come to bear. This is where Muti simply comes up short. The vinyl noise that is not bad at all, but it is still audible and cannot be excused after listening to the Kitajenko. Many have noted the incessant noises of Kobayashi on the Exton recording. But they have been understated. The man not only mutters but he snorts, hums, grunts, snores, blows wind (hopefully not flatulence), etc. But he also bangs the podium and induces near subterranean noises with what I think are stomps. The first times I heard this recording I did not realize what was going on. I initially thought someone was walking around the house before I realized what was being heard/felt were random and unintended thumps at probably below 30 Hz emanating from the system. I still managed to enjoy the performance and the sound. But I could never recommend it.
All three recordings, Muti, Kobayashi, and Kitajenko, have the same or similar "loudness" levels. But the Kitajenko recording has formidable “quiet” and is far more "aux naturalle" because it’s more transparent. And this attribute is priceless in allowing intense appreciation of the extensive colors and contrasts that flow throughout this one hour symphony.
I now find that Kitajenko/Oehms completely outclasses the Muti/Philly and the Kobayashi/Exton SACD.
Some of the highlights:
There is detail for days on end. In the first movement the sun lit clarity of the juxtaposition of the violins and violas is as clear as I can recall in recent memory. The two harps are strikingly clear with sound quality to die for. The woodwinds are well placed on the sound stage and are never masked by the orchestra even at fortissimo. The gongs are as clear, well.... as gongs. The violins are oh so sweet, even when playing with unmitigated fury (as in a Francesca Da Rimini kind of way), without sounding stressed or over the top. The low end is as quintessentially captured as any recording that I have. The bass drum on many recordings though extended come across as being overly taut. For example, the bass drum in the Exton “Church Windows” is as extended as it needs to be, but it comes across as “high strung” or overly defined (like timpani on steroids). You can hear it but not really “feel” it, at least not enough for me. No problem here with the Kitajenko Manfred. The bass drum is “thuddy”, I dare say a little “muddy”, for lack of a better word. And you *feel* it in a most visceral way. That’s what I’m used to in the concert hall. (I do understand that the bass drum can come off differently in different halls and/or with different percussionists or with different scores). The brass sound and execution is marked by flawless craftsmanship as in the start of the fourth movement. I don’t believe I have heard better.
But to single out individual instruments or sections of the orchestra for praise does not do justice to this recording. From what I can hear or “see” no instrument or section is compromised in favor of another. You don’t going away saying the timpani really sound exceptional but feeling that the brass was a bit over heated. The entire orchestra is as beautifully and comprehensive recorded as any I have heard, especially factoring in some passages, are as "noisy" and "frantic" and "loud" (all as intended) as you will find in classical music. (Important distinction given that I attended a great rock band face off a couple of nights ago).
This recording is at the same time explosive, thunderous, spectacular and *full range*. And the scale is massive as one can imagine in a recording while maintaining perfect sound stage aspect ratio. The finale of the first movement states the case emphatically all the while never sounding congested even at top speed. And while there are oodles of dynamic range, the micro dynamics may be even more impressive.
And make no mistake this is beautiful music. Why some have relegated the Manfred Symphony to second tier status is beyond me. (Indeed, some Tschaikowsky “haters” (for lack of a better description), consider him less than a top rank composer, even though often when you examine their collection they have more helpings of Tschaikowsky than any other.The pastoral third movement (andante con moto) is pure Tschaikowsky at among his lyrical best and the Gurzenich-Orchester Koln plays it as beautifully as I have heard. To Manfred critics I say focus on the “music” and don’t try to tie it to a “program” or “structure”. This is especially true of the fourth movement.
The Gurzenich-Orchester Koln is clearly a top tier orchestra. For sure, no "junior circuit" or regional orchestra need apply when it comes to pulling off the very complex Manfred Symphony. I don’t recall performances here in the Bay Area. And no wonder as the orchestra must be especially well-endowed both in numbers and musicianship.There are any number of orchestras here, and decent ones, too. But only the San Francisco Symphony is fully qualified to tackle this work in my opinion.
During initial listens I thought that there was a smidgen too much hall ambiance as if the orchestra was playing in an empty hall. Although in between movements there are clearly stirring going on as if this was a live recording. I think at least portions of this were recorded live. It was recorded over three days. In any event, chalk up my perception of too much ambiance to *me* having to “break in” to a new hall because that perception disappeared after just a couple of listens.
A most impressive sound quality virtue about this recording is that speaker position is *never* given up or betrayed by the music or engineering. I mean, at some point, even in the best of recordings of large scale music, at a momentary lack of transparency, the music will expose the speaker, disrupting the illusion, if only for a few seconds for being what it is, just a speaker. But not with this recording. Some audiophiles find that suspension of disbelief is aided by closing their eyes. I am not among those. I find that even in the light of day this is a recording of exceptional transparency.
I think it would be an unlikely stretch for most listeners to prefer the Muti or Kobayashi for sound quality over the Kitajenko. However, some may find that they win for performance on points (no knockout). But not me. The alternatives may display more “fire” compared to Kitajenko in a select passages. For example, when the organ enters in the last movement Kitajenko does not let all the ponies out of the barn, unlike Muti and Kobayashi who both pull all stops. Kitajenko's restraint done with intent and sensitivity, is still intensely powerful and I believe implemented to superior effect. Manfred itself is flush with passages of raging fire. The last thing that is needed, I now believe, is for the conductor to fan the flames with uproarious bombast.
Include the Kitajenko/Oehms/Manfred along with, as examples, the Pentatone “Music for a Time of War”/Oregon Symphony and Channel Classics Mahler 4/Fischer as arguably among the highest quality orchestral SACD releases I have heard or read about. And given the massive scale and frequency extremes of Manfred and performed before a live audience (at least in part I think) I view it a significantly more challenging orchestral recording project than those worthy Pentatone and Channel Classics releases.
Robert C. Lang
Follow Ups:
Robert, you haven't steered me wrong yet (although I don't have the Mahler 4th yet, just the 1st and 2nd from Jared). I just grabbed this Manfred, and the 5th, from Amazon for $13.50 each. No brainer. Thanks.
A cogent review and one I would certainly endorse. Jurowski and the LPO recently performed 'Manfred' at the BBC Proms and included the Royal Albert Hall's mighty organ at the close. It was a thrilling performance, but for sheer transparency and insight Kitaienko must take the palm. The latter's recording was one of my MusicWeb picks for 2009 and I can't imagine it will be surpassed. I look forward to reviewing the others in this series some time soon.
I saw Robert's review, and I have been able to get it, but not because of Robert's review. I have delayed because I haven't been able to afford it. Being out of work will do that to you.
I have played it once, and will be playing it again soon. Like what I heard and still have Kobayashi up there on performance grounds, but I know Roberts points are well taken especially with his system to consider.
BTW, Robert, you need to put this on SACD.net
Flying Dutchman should see your review, Robert. I gave this disc a thumbs up as well, but he didn't pull the trigger and keeps requesting the Manfred from all of the labels....this one is superb, in my opinion. I do plan to investigate some of the other releases in this series as they come out, most likely the earlier symphonies.
Would you believe I think that I played a snippet (just a couple of minutes) of Manfred Symphony - Kitajenko for Flying Dutchman when he came by for the Jared Sachs meet and greet. There was still high level conversations going on so we could really listen closely anyway. I think you had left by that time. The disc was still new to me at that time and I am pretty sure that I expressed some reservation to Flying Dutchman about the second movement. But I will post my comments at SA-CD.net where here will be certain to see them.
Robert C. Lang
Hi Robert,
And I wanted to stay longer to listen more to it, but alas, at the time I was late to get to my hotel and a heavy day of recruiting the next day. No longer have that job, btw, and it's been tough getting a new one, but hope to be back at it real soon. Anyway, my love for music remains, and my memories of that day back in November 2010 at your home is a cherished memory. BTW, classical millennium in Portland is closing up shop. One wonderful shop gone forever.
What a great series of observations!
I have the Kitaenko SACD myself as you know and I agree with your post about its wonderful sound quality. (In fact, I was so impressed with Kitaenko's "Manfred" that I got his subsequent Tchaikovsky 6th and 5th SACD's too.)
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I don't think I was as worried as you were about the recording's "better than an actual seat in the hall" sound quality. After all, there's a reason why the engineers place the microphones in the positions they do - and, most of the time, these microphone positions are not where the seats are located! ;-)
I agree that what makes this recording so magnificent is its clarity allied to its spatial realism. I remember in the early examples of classical multi-microphoning, the engineers (DG's were the worst) seemed so pleased with themselves as to how clearly they could unravel the strands of the symphonic texture - but what an awful sonic price we listeners all paid! It was as if the primitive multi-microphoning pasted the differently elements of the texture next to each other with little or no depth whatsoever. I think this may be what some listeners mean when they talk about an "etched" quality: it's an abnormal clarity obtained at the expense of the other elements in the music. That's what makes this Oehms recording so special: you hear the clarity of the texture, but NOT at the expense of the depth of the sound field.
As for the performance, I think I mentioned that I like it a lot, but, as you yourself suggest, there are other fine recordings too. One minus for me is that, like many of the conductors who came out of the old Soviet system, Kitaenko opts for an edition of the score that seems to include more cymbal crashes and bass drum action than Tchaikovsky actually indicated, and I'm a bit uneasy about this. (Check near the end of the first movement for examples of this - you won't see that many cymbal crashes in the score, even the old Soviet Tchaikovsky complete works edition. I have this edition of the score in the old Kalmus reprint, but I'm pretty sure it's now on the IMSLP site too.)
I also agree that the Cologne orchestra sounds excellent on this recording - but I had a distinctly different impression of them on an earlier recording: the EMI Mahler 5 with James Conlon conducting. I don't understand why that recording was so deficient in just basic orchestral execution, since I've heard other fine recordings from Conlon, and these Oehms recordings show that the orchestra is capable of performing at a very high level indeed!
I will pick up the Kitaenko Tchaikovsky 6th and 5th SACD's.
I was going to contact you today about the CAL Audio show. I got a 3 day pass and will go tomorrow morning and hopefully Saturday afternoon, as well as sometime on Sunday.
Robert C. Lang
Just listened to the 6th for the first time. It is definetly a demonstration quality disc for sound. Incredible dynamics, beautiful massed string sound and great brass rendition. However I have problems with the performance. My go to performance is the Pletnev on Virgin Classics. The Kitaenko is 51 minutes compared to 45 minutes for Pletnev and it just feels to slow. The orchestra is really excellant but I think that the Russian National Orchestra under Pletnev better capture the emotional content of this great symphony. But these Kitaenko recordings do indeed show off your system.
Alan
I also thought the recent Gergiev/Mariinsky Tchaikovsky 6 blu-ray (which also includes 4 and 5) was a more exciting performance (also in hi-rez sound) than Kitaenko's. But, as I think we all agree, the engineering on these Oehms SACD's is pretty darn great!
I should be there tomorrow afternoon and Sunday.
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