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Certainly SACD is better - if it's not, something is seriously wrong! [nt] ;-)

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In Reply to: RE: Is SACD superior to vinyl? posted by ruxtonvet on June 24, 2012 at 13:12:55

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RE: Certainly SACD is better - if it's not, something is seriously wrong! [nt] ;-) - jazz1 23:33:29 06/24/12 (7)
I do not own a TT but listening to top TT set up (15K +) at the shop they can sound marvelous, they have a quality that SACD does not have, the sound seems more colorful. Being the lazy type I love cd's and sacd's and could not be bothered with all the problems associated with vinyl.
(and the cost)
- *colorful* may be the operative description - Robert C. Lang 11:54:12 06/25/12 (4)
  *****They have a quality that SACD does not have, the sound seems more colorful.****
  
  *colorful* may be the operative description.
  
  Above, I referred to vinyl as being a "tunable". By that I mean that the sound is easily manipulated, far more so that a SACD player/transport. The sound of any given rig can be changed/alter in a clearly audible way. I've done it. It's easy to do. Just change to cartridge. Or change cartridge loading from 100 ohms to 1000 ohms, for example. Or change the phono line stage, or switch out the step up transformer, or add a step up transformer, replace a Chinese tube type, with a different Russian tube type, switch from a Denon DL103 to a Koetsu Black, etc. Due to the almost endless input choices available to vinyl devotees in shaping the sound that he or she wants for their specific rigs, in my opinion, vinyl an extremely poor reference standard except, perhaps, to the format itself.
  
  You are a disciple of "tonal accuracy"; not a hall mark of vinyl.
  
  Robert C. Lang
  - RE: *colorful* may be the operative description - jazz1 13:32:34 06/25/12 (3)
    We have a few turntables set up in the shop and I always have a feeling that in comparison CD's/SAcd's do not sound as colorful, brass sound brassier, piano's a little richer, violins a little woodier,they do not sound as dry!! Difficult to explain.
    Yet all the TT's are set up differently and of different price levels.
    From 5K to 40K
    Maybe it is a coincidence that they all have this little extra realism,
    the only constant is that they all feed valve amplification.
    Maybe one day I must do a few swops and feed them into some solid state amps.
    It is just that the TT buyers tend to be valves guys
    The fact remain that I like convenience and cd's/sacd's gives me that.
    - Agreed. Tubes and vinyl sorts go together.... to make for *extra realism* - Robert C. Lang 15:39:04 06/25/12 (2)
      Not to mention that almost all available vinyl was recorded during the tube era with an all tube recording chain, recording decks, amps, etc. Tubes are at the heart of my own vinyl system which includes a 4 tube Music Reference phono pre and my primary amplifier, Nuvista 300, that also includes tubes in the circuitry. Sounds pretty good, but I am experienced enough to know that it falls short of the realism imparted by my SACD system. Although, I think you put it best that vinyl has the *extra realism* (euphonic sweetner) that is unique to vinyl.
      By the way, this *extra realism* is not necessarily an "analog" thing it is a singular "vinyl" thing. If you have an opportunity to swap out or compare some reel-to-reel with vinyl you will know what I mean. Most vinyl lovers I know (me, too, in many cases) take the sound of LPs over quality reel to reel which avoids the RIAA colorization (oops, equalization) and which is audibly closer to the source.
      Also play some digitally sourced vinyl. They are just fine or certainly less "tainted" to many vinyl lovers than the CD version even though (or because) they have gone the LP sausage making process. Go figure.
      
      Robert C. Lang
      
      Edits: 06/25/12
      - In the JI system, tubes and SACD go together too NT - Jazz Inmate 06:53:13 06/26/12 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Agreed. Tubes and vinyl sorts go together.... to make for *extra realism* posted by Robert C. Lang on June 25, 2012 at 15:39:04
        
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        We must be the change we wish to see in the world. -Gandhi
        
        no "real" relationship between vinyl's quality & tubes ... - TBone 14:43:18 06/28/12 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: In the JI system, tubes and SACD go together too NT posted by Jazz Inmate on June 26, 2012 at 06:53:13
        
        just another silly myth based on totally false pretensions.
        
        tb1
- RE: Certainly SACD is better - if it's not, something is seriously wrong! [nt] ;-) - Jwm 07:43:29 06/25/12 (1)
  Its so obvious that when you cut up the analog signal convert to digital and put back you lose some information no matter what the sampling rate is. Vinyl gives you the original in tact. I have proven to many people using the same sacd and vinyl and the vinyl is picked every time. I do like Cd's, Sacd, and xrcd's, but are they the ultimate software no. If you want to go for the best get the original 2 track tape.
  - RE: Certainly SACD is better - if it's not, something is seriously wrong! [nt] ;-) - ahendler 14:06:30 06/25/12 (0)
    Actually get the original 4,8,16 or 24 track and mix your own.
    Alan

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