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In Reply to: RE: Here's a reply from Robert Von Bahr of BIS... posted by bissie on June 16, 2012 at 01:02:20
Interesting,... Mr BIS is accusing all other labels of dishonesty in that they are compressing dynamics and he is the only one that gets it correct. Even Andrew McGregor of BBC CD review says levels on BIS discs have to be adjusted and I find this simply spoils the enjoyment of the music. One example is BIS Romeo & Juliet no enjoyment in listening because the quiet passages get far too low in volume, not easy to know if it is the conductor or the recording engineer who gets it wrong or both for that matter as I suspect in this instance.
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No, Mr. Disbeliever, I don't find it at all interesting. I find it sad.
Sad that you accuse me of barefaced lying - our recording engineer has NOT tampered with the dynamics, basta! Your repeating it doesn't make it any more truthful, but it does put eggs on your face.
Sad that you cannot follow simple logic on a level of a 10-year old. Last time (I am a born optimist):
If there is a difference in dynamics and therefore the average level, and all other things being equal, and we have NOT tampered with the dynamics, then follows that the others have. QED.
Mind you, I am not making statements about the quality of our recordings vs any other labels'. I am not saying that my view re dynamics objectively is better, and there may very well be some substance to some complaints (especially from someone that has to broadcast on an analogue net). But I AM saying that we want to present the truth, and we DO present the truth, and nothing but, as far as dynamics are concerned. If you don't like it, stay clear.
I would expect to get criticism from people that try to listen to a cheap boombox while showering, or from people who regard classical music as nice background, but in THIS Forum, where people are audiophiles and presumably interested in the correct sound and true dynamics, that feels really odd, and that's putting it mildly. Very mildly. Why do you buy SACD:s, if you don't want the full Monty? mp3 would suit you admirably (we can provide them as well...)
Robert von Bahr
Yes I am certainly taking your very good advice and staying well clear of BIS SACD's giving those few I have to a Charity Shop. , However I will still be buying those I like from all the other labels as they cause no problems, yours IMO are not fit for purpose due to the levels problem not experienced from all the other brands that you say are compressing dynamics.
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Erm it's no secret that most labels do apply dynamic range compression. It became very fashionable in the last couple of decades. Why did they do it? Maybe to make it easier for radio handle with their dynamic range limitation, or maybe to make an easier licensing deal supplying musak for shopping malls. But this is not what the artist intended and is literally changing the music. It's like changing the artists original sheet music dynamics notations and making everything "pp".
Respect and praise for BIS for not doing this.
"Erm it's no secret that most labels do apply dynamic range compression". This may or may not be true,. I do not buy any more BIS SACD's because I have to constantly adjust the levels which spoils the performance, futhermore it is not always possible to know if it is the recording level that is at fault or the conductor, This annoyance for me does not exist from ALL the other major labels. Even Andrew McGregor of of BBC CD review mentioned BIS levels on Air and then trys to cover it up after getting an email from Bissie.
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I see on SA-CD.net that Claude says Pentatone & Channel Classics are the best labels, I can well understand why he has omitted BIS.
You write nothing but nonsense.
Further, you write out of context. How typical of you.
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