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Posted by RC Daniel (A) on June 10, 2009 at 02:39:47

Hi all

I have a vision of what I am looking for, yet only have some random, disparate thoughts tumbling around my otherwise empty mind regarding where I can start researching this genre of music. I blame my imbibing Coopers Pale and various (dodgy) Shiraz...

I enjoyed much of the down tempo stuff that was around at the turn of the millennium and a little there after... and have really liked some of the music played at my local - Rumpus Room in West End - Dave c might know it, though I suspect he has more refined taste! ;^)

The genre I would like to look into is kind of a development on the down tempo, dare I say "chill" (eek!!!). It has a kind of down tempo pace, but fuses equal portions of soul, (nu)jazz, funk, and occasionally dub... often with very nice melodies squared off against some sweet spoken word (rap) and/or old skool samples. Confused? Me too. How about some (partial) examples:

Take Rae and Christian's "Northern Sulphuric Soul" and add some soul and funk. Ronny Jordan's "The Jackal" is close, as are Cinematic Orchestra's collaborations with Roots Manuva. The Lovage/Mike Patton track "Stroker Ace" (out of print and expen$ive) gets real close. The underlying features of what I am looking for are a sense of down tempo soul, groove, and melody, with splashes of rap, jazz, and a little dub at times...

So, does anyone know where I can start looking into this style of music? Artist suggestions?

Cheers
Raymond

Edit: A touch-up so that it is at least readable.

"As long as we have any intention to be right... we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest."
Charlotte Joko Beck

Edits: 06/10/09

• tosca has a new album out n/t - d to the g 14:03:09 08/05/09 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Need help! Down-tempo developments, sould, jazz, dub, fusion... posted by RC Daniel on June 10, 2009 at 02:39:47

  n/t
  

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• Oh it's where I live - Sordidman 11:51:25 07/22/09 (2)
  In Reply to: RE: Need help! Down-tempo developments, sould, jazz, dub, fusion... posted by RC Daniel on June 10, 2009 at 02:39:47

  Koop Remixes
  Blunted series, - on Shadow records, - Blunted 2 is my favorite.
  Air
  Thievery Corporation.
  HiFidelity Lounge Series.
  Budha Bar
  First Zero 7 recording.
  Supreme beings of Leisure
  Costes CDs, - especially Costes 3, - little more techno-dance.
  St Germain, - Tourist
  The Dining Rooms, - excellent.
  Kruder and Dorfmeister, - K&D sessions, and their first one, - DJ Kicks.
  Then there's the whole Naked Music series.
  ANd of course, - the team that works with Eno, - Leo Abrahams and Jon Hopkins and HoneyRoot.
  
  Many, many, more...
  

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  • RE: Oh it's where I live - d to the g 10:15:09 07/27/09 (1)
    In Reply to: RE: Oh it's where I live posted by Sordidman on July 22, 2009 at 11:51:25

    Some good options here. I'd also like to add that listening to solid steel podcasts and looking at the tracklists is a great way to get exposed to some serious underground downtempo. on a notsounder note, i'm a big fan of dj krush, ratatat, the roots, telefon tel aviv, nepoli is not nepal, peanut butter wolf, etc.
    

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    • Interesting, Thanks, I'll check some of what you mentioned - Sordidman 12:39:20 07/31/09 (0)
      In Reply to: RE: Oh it's where I live posted by d to the g on July 27, 2009 at 10:15:09

      Also on the Internet Radio, FlareSound/Netmusique is pretty cool.
      
      Cheers,
      
      

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• Mixoftheweek.com - bassbinotoko 23:33:50 06/19/09 (0)
  In Reply to: RE: Need help! Down-tempo developments, sould, jazz, dub, fusion... posted by RC Daniel on June 10, 2009 at 02:39:47

  Mixoftheweek.com has some jazzy and soulful house mixes. Not a bad way to explore. Although their update frequency is considerably lower than weekly.
  
  Ministry Of Sound has recently put out a chill retrospective, "Ministry of Sound - Chilled II - 1991 - 2009". There's a good range of stuff represented on there.

  • http://www.mixoftheweek.com/   (Open in New Window)

  
  

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• REFINED????????????????? - dave c 14:10:21 06/10/09 (6)
  In Reply to: RE: Need help! Down-tempo developments, sould, jazz, dub, fusion... posted by RC Daniel on June 10, 2009 at 02:39:47

  I am in no way sure these are anything at all like anything you are looking for, but here they are anyway:

  
  
  
  
  

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  • further refinement - dave c 22:40:48 06/10/09 (5)
    In Reply to: RE: REFINED????????????????? posted by dave c on June 10, 2009 at 14:10:21

    
    
    
    

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    • You are refined enough as it is ;^) - RC Daniel 18:09:29 06/11/09 (4)
      In Reply to: RE: further refinement posted by dave c on June 10, 2009 at 22:40:48

      Hi Dave - thanks for the suggestions; thee are a few artists I am interested in that I would probably not have otherwise found.
      
      Deadbeat - A nice trip-hop track with a dib(ish) underpinning. Really like this one and will check 'em out.
      
      Taylor Dupree - a little too beaty / house-ish for me at the mo'; interesting nonetheless.
      
      Yasushi Yoshida - Not what I was looking for, but a beautiful track. Definitively looking into more of his work. Me likes!
      
      The weather storm clip sounded like it has a Massive Attack track running the background. A trip-hop classic, which leads me to...
      
      It seems my explorations have come full circle, but I have picked up some info during the journey. What I am looking for is essentially trip-hop, with an emphasis on jazz and soul, with some complementary bluesy, soulful left-field hip-hop tossed in. This stuff is not easily found: the genere/s are diverse, with artists placing different emphasis on the various elements that make up these fusions. Much of these works are collaborations and/or extensions of artists’ earlier (more easily defined) work. I can’t simply look up an artist assume all their work is similar. Lots of research and listening to be done!
      
      For starters, I will hopefully grab some DJ Shadow, DJ Krush, Guru’s Jazzamataz series, and a few other oldies; I may also complete my Rebirth of Cool series (I need Volumes 1 – 3). But what I would really like to do is look for more recent releases, rather than what has gone a decade or more before… Bitter:Sweet and Burial are two (rather different!) artists that I will be checking out. I am also interested in jazz-house, electro-jazz, and jungle, with an emphasis on jazz. It will be interesting to see where this leads… finances and time permitting!
      
      Cheers
      Raymond
      
      
      
      "As long as we have any intention to be right... we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest."
      Charlotte Joko Beck
      
      

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      • massively accurate - dave c 19:30:46 06/11/09 (3)
        In Reply to: RE: You are refined enough as it is ;^) posted by RC Daniel on June 11, 2009 at 18:09:29

        Craig Armstrong wrote and arranged for Massive Attack.
        If you check his history it is extraordinarily eccentric.
        Taking your notes into account I would recommend the Talvin Singh volume in the Back To Mine series on DMC (http://www.backtomine.com/).
        Actually you might well like others in thes eries as well.
        Quitee asy to find as well.
        Here is atrack by Dub Tractor that isn't on that disc.. ;-)
        
        
        
        
        

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        • Great info Dave! - RC Daniel 20:09:42 06/11/09 (2)
          In Reply to: RE: massively accurate posted by dave c on June 11, 2009 at 19:30:46

          I will definitiely be checking both Craig Armstrong and the Talvin Singh disk...

          Just took a quick look abd the Singh disk seems to be discontinued, though there are prob heaps in various stores. Actually, many of the Singh disks have been discontinued.

          Roni Size is another artist that might be worth a look... the list is starting to grow! The challenge is in finding interesting examples of the genre that are mopre about long-term listening rather than for mere academic appreciation or short-term pleasure and disposability. We will see.

          Edit: Penny drops - the Weather Storm track was originally a Craig Armstrong composition... I think I will very much like some of his work.

          Cheers
          Raymond
          
          "As long as we have any intention to be right... we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest."
          Charlotte Joko Beck
          
          

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          • The Back To Mine series... - dave c 21:02:53 06/11/09 (1)
            In Reply to: RE: Great info Dave! posted by RC Daniel on June 11, 2009 at 20:09:42

            ... are stocked in HMV under various artists in the dance section.
            I am not sure about other stores.
            I would swear I have seen the Talvin Singh there this year.... for what it's worth.
            
            
            
            

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            • I will check it out this weekend (i hope). nt. - RC Daniel 23:32:50 06/11/09 (0)
              In Reply to: RE: The Back To Mine series... posted by dave c on June 11, 2009 at 21:02:53

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              "As long as we have any intention to be right... we should be wary. So long as words have the slightest ego attachment, they are dishonest."
              Charlotte Joko Beck
              
              

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