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I apologize if this has been beat to death, but I'm really curious about the relevance of CD players, aside from being able to go and buy thousands of CDs for pennies on the dollar at thrifts.
Isn't the CD just a clunky mechanical storage unit for data that is bettered by any decent solid state drive? The data is going into a buffer anyway isn't it? Does the buffer care where that data come from? (forgive me if I'm showing my technical ignorance).
I still see megabuck CD transports for sale and I really wonder why I would spend hundreds or thousands on one.
I'm not being snarky, just sincerely asking.
Follow Ups:
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Manny,
Do you own a collection of CD's or are you "just sincerely asking"?
Cheers,
SB
While cd sales are way down about 100 million cds were sold in the first half of 2016. Lots of people still using them. T
to rip MP3 files.
Power is always dangerous. It attracts the worst and corrupts the best ... Ragnar Lothbrok
I don't have a music server but if you have to log on to get to your data, I can pull and play a CD faster. Not sure if that is the case? I like computers and use one all the time but the whole reason I play music is to get away from the frustration of daily life such as...waiting for computers to boot and run.
No need to boot up and/or log on. The server is always on and plays instantly. Faster than you can get out of your chair.
The server is always on? I turn off my system when I'm not listening. How long does it take from boot strap to music playing?
Just fyi, it's better to leave a computer on than to cycle it on and off. One of the biggest problems with computer circuitry is heating and cooling over and over and over. (Ditto for audio electronics.) In fact, it's actually a reliability test used by chip manufacturers.
Get a good surge protector and leave the 'puter on except when you're on vacation or during a storm.
:)
The server is a single task computer and, like the rest of the music system, it is always on when we are home. When I do boot them up, I push the power button on the server first, so that after I do the same for the preamp and power amps, it is ready to play.
Using a server is a no brainer if looking for convenience and storage , as far as sonics , IMO CD's sound best on a CD player , no server based system i have ever heard ( $$$$) when playing back CD material sounded better than a good CD player of equivalent expenditure..So i have both one for when i want to just run a playlist and the CD player when i want to spin some disc , as well as a TT and a RR and a Tuner when i want my local jazz station to entertain and a DAT recorder for doing my own recordings ...and ...
Ok , Ok , i admit it , I wont throw out anything .... :)
Edits: 12/23/16
I play a range of digital formats with my server including movies. Across four different systems.
Hi, When the sun spots or gamma ray bursts or Godzilla brings down the web we'll still have a cd to hold in our hands. If you think of it in a money sense it's like having the old (physical) bank passbook to show as proof if something bad happens.....my 1988 560 Magnavox cd player is still working great too...made in Belgium....Mark Korda
I still own a couple of players and I have my discs boxed up in the basement. I just don't use them any more.
"Using a server is a no brainer if looking for convenience and storage , as far as sonics , IMO CD's sound best on a CD player , no server based system i have ever heard ( $$$$) when playing back CD material sounded better than a good CD player of equivalent expenditure.."
I disagree but that is only partly due to my preference for > CD resolution and for > CD number of channels.
Thanks Kal. I remember going into the record shop and there was some old dude way in the back flipping through the 78rpm records. I guess I'm that guy now with my CDs?
My server has two jobs ... to serve music or media files when I'm home, or to operate and record security cams when I'm not. Uptime is measured in years, not hours.
My family complains all of the time.
Actually, the new solid state drives make this very fast, supposedly.
I've yet to use one, but the technology is now at the point where a computer application should be as easy to use as a CD player. Well, almost.
Having a CD player is not the same as considering to buy one. It depends on where you are in the journey. I intend to keep a universal player, streamer, turntable, etc. in my main system.
However, I understand why others see a CD player as an outdated computer type device.
Never got the message: "Please wait while UPDATES are installed to your system", etc, etc.
Other than that, I don't know. Make sure you have a good DAC with an optimized USB interface, is all I can really offer.
To play CDs.
Why even have a record player?
To play records.
Why even have a stove?
So I don't have to eat microwavable pre-prepared food 7 days a week.
Why have LED lightbulbs?
So I can save electricity for use on another day.
;)
Because playing a CD is a simple process. I have no desire to run a computer system in my music room. Don't need it and don't want it. I have a nice tube based CD player that sounds wonderful. Works for me. I still play most of my music on a turntable.
...cause I feel the same.
See ya. Dave
I have no desire to run a computer system in my music room
Agree completely!
I use a purpose built streamer that lives behind my DAC (the tiny Sonore microRendu). Control is via an iPad and connects to the file server downstairs in the office via an ethernet cable.
I don't know how to tell you this but the Microrendu is a computer.
When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it. ~ Bernard Bailey
What the micro Rendu is not , however is a complete "computer system" with monitor, drives, noisy switching power supply and a far more complex kernel and inherent processing required for general use. It has an Ethernet input and USB output. Period.
There is a significant distinction in terms of its noise radiation footprint.
Do you understand?
Hey, that sounds like a great idea! ;-)
1. So you can play CDs. Not all the music you want to listen to is
available for download.
2. Most CDs have higher fi than most downloads.
3. A download can vanish, a CD does not (unless you lose it somehow).
4. Many, many complete albums of older music are available on CD these
days for really low prices.
You needn't spend megabucks for a good cd player. Rega's less expensive
units sound very nice.
CD players PLAY CDs. CDs can be a distribution medium even where they aren't the playback medium.I've bought hundreds CDs because they weren't available for download; most of them I've never played on my CD player, (though I do have one). All have been ripped to lossless computer files.
I love the music of Dmitri Shostakovich ...
Edits: 12/21/16
Yes- I am a CD/SACD collector. I bought my 1st CD in 1987. I see zero sign(s) of slowing down, especially, since most are converting over to computer audio (laughing).
One doesn't need a CD player to buy thousands of used CDs for pennies on the dollar. I still buy CDs but I rarely ever play them on a CD player.
I can play them in real-time on my music server or rip them to my music server disk for easy retrieval and playback later.
One can get excellent results with a simple music server w/o turning the whole endeavor into rocket science, even though some folks will have you believe otherwise. It's really pretty straight forward.
Office. Very simple.
Basement. Even simpler.
Photo taken in 2005. The Accuphase is circa 1990's. It mainly sits there looking pretty collecting dust these days.
I may be out of context on my reply but there's so many reasons to have a CD player. Off hand the simple fact of titles not available elsewhere. Then there's the fact you need a seriously expensive TT Cart, and Phono Amp (plus well engineered vinyl) to compete with a mid-fi CD/SACD player under $3K or an old Philips with a TDA1541.
I'm an owner of both CD and phono and depending the quality of the recording I don't see how people settle for one or the other--especially at the prices you can buy a decent CD player for nowadays.
Next time you're out at an estate sale, Goodwill, or even perusing Craigslist--look for one of these many models of CD players. They have a sound that rivals most turntables under $500 dependent on the quality of the medium used. If you don't like it---someone will pay top dollar for it used. It's a win/win deal.
cdplayer D/A converter cdmechanism
ABBINGDON AMR CD-77 Philips TDA1541A Sony
ACOUSTIC RESEARCH CD-06SE Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4
ACOUSTIC RESEARCH CD-06SE Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4
ADCOM GCD-575 Philips TDA1541 AKSS-212B
ADCOM GCD-600 Philips TDA1541 KSS
AIWA DX-M45 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-4/25
ARCAM ALPHA Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/19
ARCAM ALPHA 5 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-9/44
ARCAM ALPHA 5 PLUS Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-9
ARCAM ALPHA PLUS Philips TDA1541A
ARCAM DELTA 70 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
ARCAM DELTA 70.2 Philips TDA1541-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-4/11 / CDM-4/31
ARCAM DELTA BOX 1 Philips TDA1541A D/A converter
ARCAM DELTA BOX 2 Philips TDA1541A D/A converter
ARISTON CD PLAYER Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-4/19
Bang & Olufsen Beogram CDX2 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-2
Bang & Olufsen Beogram CD3300 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2/10
Bang & Olufsen CD5500 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/11
BEARD DAP-1 3 x Philips TDA1541A â€" YM3623B D/A converter
BLAUPUNKT CP-2850 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/11
BRINKMANN ZENITH Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1076 D/A converter
California Audio Labs Aria Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
California Audio Labs Aria Delta Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
California Audio Labs Tempest II Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-4/11
California Audio Labs Tercet Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
CAMBRIDGE AUDIO CD1 6 x TDA1540 / 3 x Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-1
CAMBRIDGE AUDIO CD2 4 x TDA1541 â€" SAA7220 CDM-2/10
Cambridge Audio CD3 4 x TDA1541 Philips CDM1 MKII
Cambridge Audio DAC 3 D/A 4 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 D/A converter
Cary Audio Design CAD-855 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
CREEK CD60 Philips TDA1541A-S1 â€" SAA7220P/B CDM-4/14
DUAL CD 5150 RC Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
DUGOOD GLORY YEAR Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220 VAM 1201
EMT 981 PROFESSIONAL Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1 Mk II
GRUNDIG CD 35 X-Version 1 x Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2/29
GRUNDIG CD-903 FineArts Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4
GRUNDIG CD 8100 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2/29 / CDM-4/11
GRUNDIG CD 8200 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2/10
GRUNDIG CD 8400 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10
GRUNDIG CD 8400 Mk II Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4
GRUNDIG CD-9000 FineArts Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-2/29 / CDM-4/11
GRUNDIG CD9009 2xTDA1541A/S1 CDM1mkII
Kinergetics Research KCD-20 (New) Philips TDA1541A-R1 Philips CDM-4/19
Kinergetics Research KCD-30 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4
LECTOR CDP 3T Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM 12
LECTOR DIGICODE Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) D/A converter
LUXMAN D-500X’s II Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-3
MAGNAVOX CDB460 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10
MAGNAVOX CDB465 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2
MAGNAVOX CDB470 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
MAGNAVOX CDB471 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
MAGNAVOX CDB472 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
MAGNAVOX CDB473 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-4/11
MAGNAVOX CDB560 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
MAGNAVOX CDB582 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
MAGNAVOX CDB630 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
MAGNAVOX CDB650 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
MARANTZ CD-5L 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10
MARANTZ CD-40 Philips TDA1541A-R1 Philips CDM-4/19
MARANTZ CD-50 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19 Composite
MARANTZ CD-56 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/25
MARANTZ CD-60 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19 Composite
MARANTZ CD-65 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
MARANTZ CD-65DX Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/11
MARANTZ CD-65 Gold Philips TDA1541-S1 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
MARANTZ CD65 Mk II Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/11
MARANTZ CD-75 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/25
MARANTZ CD-75DX Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/11
MARANTZ CD75 Mk II Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-1 Mk II
MARANTZ CD-84 2 x TDA1540 â€" SAA7030 Philips CDM-1
MARANTZ CD-12 TDA1541A-S1 (single Crown) Philips CDM-1
MARANTZ CD7 2x TDA1541A-S2 (double crown) CDM 12.3 PRO
MARANTZ CD80 Philips TDA1541A/S1/Q CDM1mkII
MARANTZ CD-85 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) CDM-1 Mk II
MARANTZ CD880J Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) CDM-1 Mk II
MARANTZ CD94 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM1
MARANTZ CDA 94 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) D/A converter
MARANTZ CD94mkII Philips TDA1541A/S1 Philips CDM1
MARANTZ CD-95 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 + 2 x SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-1
MARANTZ CD-99SE 2 x TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1
MARANTZ CD-99SE Limited 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Double Crown) Philips CDM-1
MARANTZ PROJECT D-1 2 x TDA1541A-S2 (Double Crown) D/A converter
MARANTZ CD273 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2
MARANTZ CD583 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/19
MARANTZ CD650 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/25
MARANTZ CD873 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
MARANTZ CD883 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/19
MARANTZ CDV780 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown)
McCORMACK PRISM II Philips TDA1541A-R1 â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
MCINTOSH MCD7005 Philips TDA1541A CDM-2/10
MCINTOSH MCD7007 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1
Meridian 206 mkII Philips TDA1541
MERIDIAN 206 TDA1541
MERIDIAN 207 (16-bit) Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) CDM-1 / CDM-4
MICRO CD-M2 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-1
MICRO CD-M100 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1
MICRO CD-M2000X Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1
MICROMEGA CD F1 Premium Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-1 Mk II / CDM-4/26
MICROMEGA CD F1 Pro Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2/29 / CDM-4/25
MISSION PCM II Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/11
MISSION PCM4000 Philips TDA1541-S1 Philips CDM-2/10
MISSION PCM7000 Philips TDA1541-S1 Philips CDM-2/10
MOD SQUAD PRISM Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-2
MOD SQUAD PRISM II Philips TDA1541A-R1 â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
MUSICAL FIDELITY DIGILOG Philips TDA1541A D/A converter
NAIM AUDIO CD1 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2
NAIM AUDIO CD2 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-9
NAIM AUDIO CD3 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-9
NAIM AUDIO CDI Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-4/27 / CDM-9 Pro
NAIM AUDIO CDS1 Philips TDA1541-S1 (Single Crown) CDM-4/25
NAKAMICHI 1000p 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) D/A converter
NAKAMICHI CDC-3A Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1088 Pioneer PWY1009 / PWY1010
NAKAMICHI CDC-4A Philips TDA1541A-S1 Pioneer PWY1009 / PWY1010
NAKAMICHI DA-101p 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) D/A converter
NAKAMICHI DA-111p 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) D/A converter
NAKAMICHI DAC-101 Mobile 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 â€" YM3414 â€" PD0037 D/A converter
NAKAMICHI OMS-20 Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1088 KSS-152A
NAKAMICHI CDP-2E Philips TDA1541Aâ€" CXD1088
NEC CD-10 2 x TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) KSS-150A
NEC CD-620 Philips TDA1541 KSS-150A
NEC CD-720 Philips TDA1541 KSS-150A
NEC CD-730 2 x Philips TDA1541A KSS-150A
NEC CD-816 2 x TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) KSS-150A
NEC CD-830DS 2 x TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown)
ORELLE CD-100 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-4
ORELLE CD-100e Philips TDA1541A / TDA1545A Philips CDM 12.1 / Panasonic
ORELLE CD-160 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-4/19
ORELLE CD100SE Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-4
PHILCO CD2471 Philips TDA1541-R1 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD-60 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19 Composite
PHILIPS CD-80 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1 Mk II
PHILIPS CD-85 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1 Mk II
PHILIPS CD160 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10
PHILIPS CD207 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A â€" TDA1542 Philips CDM-2-P
PHILIPS CD304 Mk II Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A â€" SAA7210P Philips CDM-1
PHILIPS CD360 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-2/29
PHILIPS CD371 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2/29 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD372 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2
PHILIPS CD373 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD380 TDA1543 â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CD450 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
PHILIPS CD460 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/25
PHILIPS CD465 Philips TDA1541
PHILIPS CD470 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD471 Philips TDA1541-R1 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD472 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD473 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD480 Philips TDA1541 / TDA1543 â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CD560 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/25
PHILIPS CD580 Philips TDA1541
PHILIPS CD581 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CD582 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CD584 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CD620 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CD630 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CD640 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
PHILIPS CD650 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A â€" SAA7210P Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/25
PHILIPS CD660 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD670 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD680 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD770 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD771 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4/11
PHILIPS CD780 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4
PHILIPS CD820 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19 Composite
PHILIPS CD782 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4
PHILIPS CD830 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/19 Composite
PHILIPS CD880 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1 Mk II
PHILIPS CD960 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A â€" SAA7210P Philips CDM-1
PHILIPS CDC586 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/20
PHILIPS CDC875 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/19
PHILIPS CDV496 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B â€" TDA1542 Philips CDM-10
PHILIPS DAC960 1 x Philips TDA1541A D/A converter
PHILIPS LHH1000 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1
PIONEER PD-8070 Philips TDA1541
PROTON AC-300 Mk II Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4
PROTON AC-620 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/19 Composite
QUAD 66 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-9
RADFORD WS1 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1 Mk II
RADIOLA CD1006 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10
REVOX B 126 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-1 / CDM-4/27
REVOX B 226 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-1
REVOX B 226 Mk II / Signature Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-1
REVOX B 226 S / E Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1 Mk II / CDM-4/26
ROTEL RCD-820B TDA1541
ROTEL RCD-855 Philips TDA1541A-S1 CDM-4/19
ROTEL RCD-955 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-4
ROTEL RCD-955AX Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4
SAE D103 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2 / CDM-4
SANSUI CD-X211E Philips TDA1541A-R1 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-4/19
SCHNEIDER CD4006 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/10
SHERWOOD CDP301R Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
SONY CDP-68 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-150A
SONY CDP-207ESD 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-150A
SONY CDP-222ESD 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-151A
SONY CDP-227ESD (Old ver.) 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-151A
SONY CDP-227ESD (New ver.) 2 x Philips TDA1541A-R1 â€" CXD1144 KSS-151A
SONY CDP-301V Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-210A
SONY CDP-307ESD 1 x Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1088A KSS-150A
SONY CDP-333ESD 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 Sony BU-1E
SONY CDP-337ESD 2 x Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1144 KSS-190A
SONY CDP-505ESD 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-151A
SONY CDP-507ESD 2 x Philips TDA1541A-R1 â€" CXD1144 KSS-151A
SONY CDP-555ESD 1 x Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1088Q Sony BU-1E
SONY CDP-605ESD Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 Sony BU-1E
SONY CDP-705ESD 1 x Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1088Q Sony BU-1E
SONY CDP-710 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-150A / KSS-210A
SONY CDP-750 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-210A
SONY CDP-910 1 x Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-151A
SONY CDP-950 1 x Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1088A KSS-150A / KSS-210A
SONY CDP-C100 Philips TDA1541A KSS-210A
SONY CDP-M75 Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-150A / KSS-210A
SONY CDP-M95 Philips TDA1541 â€" CXD1088 KSS-150A / KSS-210A
SONY DAS-R1 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 â€" CXD1144 D/A converter
SONY LDP-550 Philips TDA1541
SPECTRAL SDR-1000 2 x Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1
STUDER A727 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1
STUDER A730 TDA154 1A-S1(Double Crown) Philips CDM-3
SUDGEN CDT-1 Philips TDA1541AS1 (single crown)
SUGDEN MASTERCLASS Philips TDA1541A-S-Crown â€" SAA7220 CDM 12.1
SUGDEN SDA-1 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) D/A converter
SUGDEN SDT-1 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-9/44
SUGDEN SDT-1SE Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-9 Pro
SYLVANIA CD1460 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2
SYLVANIA CD1470 Philips TDA1541 Philips CDM-2
SYLVANIA CD1473 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2
T+A CD1000 AC Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/29
TANDBERG TCP 3015A 16 bit Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220 Philips CDM-2
TEAC CD-Z5000 2 x TDA1541A KSS-210A
TEAC CD-Z5000 2 x Philips TDA1541A â€" PD0050 KSS-210A
TEAC D-500 2 x TDA1541A-S1 â€" SM5813 D/A converter
TESLA MC 902 Philips TDA1541 â€" SAA7220P/A Philips CDM-2/29
TESLA MC 911 Philips TDA1541A â€" SAA7220P/B Philips CDM-4/25
TOSHIBA XR-9118 Philips TDA1541A Philips CDM-4/11
TOSHIBA XR-9128 Philips TDA1541A-R1 Philips CDM-4/11
WOODSIDE WS2 Philips TDA1541A-S1 (Single Crown) Philips CDM-1 Mk II
YAMAHA CDX-630E Philips TDA1541A â€" CXD1088 KSS-150A
ZANDEN MODEL 5000 Philips TDA1541A-S2 (Double Crown) D/A converter
I'm the original owner of a 1988 Magnavox CDB460.
It is an everyday player, and STILL going strong!!
Steve
you might re-read Abe's first two sentences and let that sink in.A CD is simply a low capacity, virtually obsolete Jurassic era (in terms of computer technology) pre-PC medium to store digital files.
There are many options available today. I store my entire 905 album digital library on a pack of chewing gum sized USB flash drive.
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Analog against digital, digital against analog, digital against digital. Very funny religion.
Sorry, couldn't resist... :)
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
fuckin' things won't work on my turntable.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Using exactly what are you posting to the forum?
I'm thinkin' it's not your turntable. :)
and have to suffer poor/lesser sound quality?
That's just plain stoopid.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
that can store the digital files in a single library.
Play via any number of streamer based devices.
Don't need to. Have a CD player and like it.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
That's right, same here.
I ain't changing a damn thing!
Me too. Shoot, some folks even still play records...
Rick
I don't think they are clunky.
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
I am happy with my laptop's CD player. Connected to the system thru Dragonfly DAC, it sounds pretty good.
Cheers
Bill
And....the music is not available on vinyl.
-Wendell
That's what my young nephew says.
Power is always dangerous. It attracts the worst and corrupts the best ... Ragnar Lothbrok
It seems that a CD player is needed if:
You already have a good number of CDs and don't feel like spending countless hours digitizing the collection.
Cheap music and you still don't want to digitize your thrift store finds.
And it essentially IS an old way to store data. So if I'm putting together a modern stereo system, the money should go into a top notch D/A converter rather than a fancy new CD player.
Hi, Manny,
I have a fair number of CDs and I actually enjoy playing them on my CD player, much like playing records. It's more about the "ritual" of playing physical media than taking advantage of modern digital devices and the convenience they offer.
With the continuing improvements in DAC technology, when my CDP dies I'm going to replace it with an inexpensive CD transport like the Cambridge Audio CXC and maybe upgrade my Rega DAC.
At some time I may start ripping CDs and using a digital file streamer/bridge/whatever to play music. But ripping is somewhat of a deterrent; although it's not difficult, it does take time. With the possibility of MQA or Hi-res digital files becoming available at an affordable price, I may just start purchasing downloads rather than ripping CDs.
So are you considering putting together a "modern stereo system"?
Regards,
Tom
Keep us posted- MannyE
To my ears.......
Server playback also never sounds consistent to me. Even updates to the OS alters the sound, sometimes better, sometimes worse. (I've wasted too much time messing with how different file transfer methods alter the sound. With numerically identical files. I've given up on this several years ago.)
I also don't like how non-lossy compression sounds like played back in real time. Most notably, the perceived attenuation of vibrato.
This is the main reason why I still use CD playback, and have no plans to abandon it anytime soon.
I had the best meitner sacd/cd player and my current Lumin A1 sounds much better..IMO and those of my friends who have heard both..2 cents...
The vast majority of my listening is to FLAC files ripped from cds. I switched to data files about 6 years ago because storing cds in an accessible place was getting out of hand. I keep all the cds in boxes in a closet, in case I ever need them again (which happens occasionally).
But my trusty cd player still sits in the equipment rack. I don't have anything else I would put in its slot. It feeds the same Schiit dac that my FLAC files play through. Every once in a blue moon, somebody brings a cd over and wants to play it. If there's a difference in sound between the cd files and the FLAC files, I can't hear it.
If I outlive the cd player, I doubt I'll replace it.
Happy listening,
Jim
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
All three of my systems are now rip- and download-playback-capable--the bedroom and home-office systems exclusively so. But the main system includes a universal player (which I plan to upgrade) because I'm nowhere close to ripping everything, and in any case will retain all my CD's/SACD's/DAD's to comply with copyright provisions.
I see it as a whatever-floats-your-boat decision.
Jim
http://jimtranr.com
I'm streaming Spotify on the main system and I'm looking to get a laptop and USB DAC for Bedroomium Delight so I can stream in the bedroom. Great way to play lots of music while I watch the Dolphins without changing a disc.
Best regards, Ralph
Sounds like a great plan.
Happy holidays to you and yours, Ralph.
Jim
http://jimtranr.com
Happy Holidays to you too, Jim. Hope it's a great one.
Best regards, Ralph
In the old days, I could buy someone a record or a CD. What does one do in the digital age to give the "gift of music"?? A piece of the cloud? A flash drive?
Gift certificates where the download vendor offers them.
Jim
http://jimtranr.com
True, but not the same, is it?
since it reduces the likelihood that you wind up duplicating what the recipient already has...or give him/her something he/she doesn't care for.
Jim
http://jimtranr.com
Might as well just give cash, the most thoughtful and heartfelt of all gifts....
...give a tablet loaded with music and metadata.
Actually a flash drive is probably also acceptable.
Flash drives are great, if you aren't worried about copyright laws.
Happy listening,
Jim
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
Yes, how romantic, eh? Not like the old days with an album, lyrics, pictures, etc.
I have both a turntable and a CD/SACD player, with over a thousand records/CDs. I am happy with the sound and dependability of my system. I don't feel like getting rid of them, nor like digitizing them, nor do I want to get into digital audio. These are choices; others make different choices.
Even though CD sales and manufacturing is dying, the technology of CDP's has evolved to the point that the data on Redbook disks can be processed like never before. CD's can sound damn good.
Also, some of us are collectors. In my case, I own about 1000 LP's and many 100's of CDs. Some rare and collectable.
Here in the US, computer audio has replaced CDs, but my friends in the UK are still buying CDs. Check Amazon UK and you'll see how many titles are available.
some just don't want to bother with the work (time, energy, hassles) involved in ripping and often tagging hundreds if not thousands of cd's.
Ripping a CD with dbPoweramp takes all of two minutes and does tagging and artwork automatically.
That's about the time it would take me for a single playing of a CD to hunt it down on the shelf, remove the CD, carry it to and place it in the transport and reverse the process when done.
From the second playing forward, I save time and can access it universally across four systems spread across the house and garage. :)
The ass-shaped dent in my listening chair has been duly documented, my file-based system gets play every day, and I'm grossly overweight from lack of the back and forth it would take for me to lose 3 pounds by switching album sides and disks, added to my intake of delicious snacks I consume while listening.
I am the poster child for file-based systems, yet I still spin a black pizza or whatnot on occasion.
http://thewarmteenagetangerine.blogspot.com/
use another computer based app to track my running and cycling activities to fend off middle aged spread. :)
Middle age , what you plan on staying around to 140 ... :)
I mass ripped my CD collection in 2010 using dBPoweramp with a subscription to all the metadata services it could use. I checked the metadata matches before every rip and had to make some corrections to most of them. Inconsistent Artist naming and missing or erroneous Album Artist fields were the most common problems. But I also found a lot of problems in track listings. And for about 20-25% of my CDs, I had to hand enter all the metadata and Google for artwork because there was no match or the match was completely wrong. Most of these were classical, compilations, or hybrid SACDs. I even had to scan a few dozen CD covers.
It was a tedious and time consuming process.
I've continued buying and ripping CDs since then and IMO the state of internet sourced metadata hasn't gotten much better. Even the music streaming services haven't sorted it out. Search for an artist on Tidal and you often get a list of matches like
Artist
The Artist
Artist, The
The Artist feat Blah
Artist, Blah
Artist and Blah
And then you have to sift through these entries trying to find the album you're looking for.
didn't share that level of grief in terms of needed corrections. On the other hand, I recently purchased the soundtrack to Magical Beasts and Where to Find Them which has been the only CD that did not find tagging data.
I guess I'm not a metadata Nazi. You get 100% more tagging information than you get with physical media in any event. :)
dbPoweramp sounds great. A lot of people rip copies (wav files) of original CD's which can be more time consuming using mediamonkey, foobar and even jriver but then again copies are illegal ;)
I like CDs even though I don't use them much ... once I acquire a CD I immediately rip it to Hard Disk Drive (HDD) as 16/44 files and use that for storage and playback, mostly.I never did buy a CD player; they all sounded terrible to my ears right up until the mid 1990's when I first bought a CD-ROM equipped computer, and used that instead. It didn't sound any worse than the standalone disk players I auditioned at the time so I pronounced it good and moved on.
At the time, disk drives were not large enough to hold much music; a CD itself was as large as the drives you could reasonably buy. So the computer was used as a line level CD player.
I did eventually buy an OPPO multi-disk player (not Blu-Ray though) but of course it was to access DVD-A and SACD more than anything else.
" ...
dbPoweramp sounds great. A lot of people rip copies (wav files) of original CD's which can be more time consuming using mediamonkey, foobar and even jriver but then again copies are illegal ;)
..."By Law, in Canada, copying music (not video) is specifically legal under the Copyright Act. Music Rights Holders are compensated by a levy on re-writeable media such as CD-R, DVD-RW, etc. which is then distributed via same rights organization that deals with distributing any copyright fees such as radio airplay, television rights clearanceing or Muzak licensed public streaming (such as at your Dentist's Office).
Although the levy is not huge, it is comparable to what artists receive by way of royalty from Record Labels and is higher than the average payment from downloads.
The contracts between artists and Record Labels are secret and covered by a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA), but the rates are well known; about 5c per song for a CD and about half that for a download.
It might be worth mentioning at this point that artists had to sue the labels in order to get paid for downloads; prior to the successful lawsuit the labels paid $zero for downloads.
Note that the label gets 70c from Apple (for example) per song, and pays the artist 2c from that amount. If the artist still owes the label money for the last recording session, they keep the whole 70c; otherwise they only get to keep 68c and pay 2c to the artists.
Industry figures tell us that less than 1% of all artists ever manage to pay back their label all the money they owe, and thus start to get royalty checks actually paid to them.
There is something called the "Statutory Rate" which is mentioned in US Law, but all you need to know about that is no artist, not even The Rolling Stones, gets a payment that large, which is 7c per song.
I therefore often sample new-to-me music from my local public library, which has robust CD collections available for library card holders, just like books. Our city public library routinely buys two copies of virtually every disk released, and for more popular titles will purchase perhaps a dozen copies (one per branch, plus archival copies). There is an entire floor at Main Branch, a multi-story building one half a city block wide and one block long, full of CDs and other disk media you can take home (maximum 8 at any one time).
If they are music CDs you can rip them to your computer, perfectly legally.
Despite that, I still buy new full-cost CDs and peruse remainder bins and flea markets. Note the distinction ... all music copyrights are owned by the Record Label, not the musicians ... it's the essence of a recording contract with a label. A royalty is paid to the musicians which is their compensation for signing off the copyrights to the label, which broadly speaking they never see, as they must pay back the label for monies advanced to them to record the release in the first place.
The cost of recording has a magic tendency to equal the sales potential of a given release. Funny that way.
However, those royalties are only paid on 90% * of the sales of full retail CDs. Discounted disks such as those found in the discount bins at Wal-Mart are royalty free. The band gets nothing, not even a credit against loans, when you buy them.
Most artists get more rights money under the Canadian copyright scheme than they ever did from disk sales, and aside from grumbling about the rates, which is a bargaining tactic as the rates are revisited from time to time, the artists are quite happy with the scheme.
* 90% because the label retains 10% of all royalty payments to account for disks given away as promotion. No, they don't give away 10% of the production run. That's why you should read contracts before you sign them.
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I believe that it's perfectly legal to make copies for your own use. What's not legal is (a) to make a copy and give that copy to someone else, or (b) to make a copy, keep that copy, and give the original to someone else. That is part of the reason why I keep all my cds after ripping them to the hard drive.
Happy listening,
Jim
"The passage of my life is measured out in shirts."
- Brian Eno
is the ability to access your musical library instantly - across multiple systems without making CDR copies - and in ways you could never do jockeying disks in and out of jewel boxes.
I now spend far more time listening than shuffling. :)
That's the only good reason I can think of. It's the reason I procrastinated ripping my CDs for a long time. What finally pushed me over the edge was getting a work assignment overseas and not wanting to ship & store boxes upon boxes of CDs. Glad I did because I cannot imagine fumbling around with CDs anymore.
After almost 30 years of collected CD's, why would I ditch my CD player?
Steve
... It would be nice to be able to play a music CD that someone brings over or that you've just bought without going through the process of ripping it to your server.
That said, I don't have a CD player in my main system. While the above would be nice, I can't say it has been that big of an issue for me. As such, I don't worry about it much.
...without going through the process of ripping it to your server.
Reminds me of Brian Regan's take on those who microwave their Pop Tarts.
"You might want to loosen up your schedule!"
CD players are good reason to bring out the old ...
Power is always dangerous. It attracts the worst and corrupts the best ... Ragnar Lothbrok
...most computer based systems are optimized to display porn. :-)
You partially answered your question. The CD is the most economical format out there, many used CDs out there right now can be had dirt cheap. Even new CDs. Cheaper than MP3s and HD downloads. Plus I like having the hard copy.
I'm very happy with the quality of sound my CD playback set up produces. Stands up to every high rez setup I've heard so far and gives good vinyl a run for it's money.
Vinyl also costs more, but at least you get something tangible.
Different strokes for different folks.
Best regards, Ralph
Sold my last one years ago.
Since I already have a PC and a home network, I cannot think of a world NOT using them instead of playing disk by disk. I can access any track instantly in my digital library via iPhone or iPad and play on any of multiple systems.
I am so far behind the times it ain't funny anymore. Heck, I even have a reel-to-reel tape deck. Last year, I was at the Magico facility in Hayward, CA, and Dave had something like an iPad from which he could, wirelessly, select any piece of music stored on their server. He says "Whaddaya wanna hear?", and I say whatever I said, and boom, it's playing.:)
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Dave had something like an iPad from which he could, wirelessly, select any piece of music stored on their server. He says "Whaddaya wanna hear?"
Having that ability is truly a beautiful thing!
Today, there was a beautiful medieval carol that was playing in my head and I discovered that I didn't have a copy. Went to YouTube and captured it. Used dbPoweramp to convert to FLAC for my library.
I'm moving at a snail's pace converting to all digital, but you know what? I exchanged some CD's with my son to listen to the other day. Whereas a friend of mine is almost all digital. We don't exchange anymore. I miss that. I guess we could use USBs. We talk about different music, but we don't hold CD's or Albums and pass them around over dinner or while having a few drinks. But yes, I'm starting to see the Ipads being passed around to scroll through. So it's coming. Some of us are just hanging on a bit longer.
Cheers!
Jonesy
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
Manny,
I don't consider myself an audiophile, and I mostly lurk here, so I can speak only for myself but not for the many very knowledgable participants here. Using a CD player is simpler and more convenient than using a file-based source system. IMHO, "simpler" because there is less equipment and fewer accessories needed to listen to music, and more "convenient" because using a CD player requires less effort and fewer support systems (e.g., wi-fi or Ethernet) than a file-based source system. Please understand that I am not critical of those who, for a variety of reasons, do not want to use a CD player or who prefer a file-based source. Moreover, storage space for and organization of CDs presents problems that a file-based source addresses very well.. But on the whole, KISS is a good approach here.
I have one in my system. A Cambridge CXN music server.
I load-up an external hard drive with all my digital music (I still buy CDs because if they are a year old or more, they are mostly super cheap) and plug it in to the CXN's USB port.
I do not use wi-fi or any connection to my computer. Just the hard drive. The CXN does the rest. It shows me everything from A-Z, and it also lists playlist files I have made.
I can hit random, or I can select any album or any song quickly. It's all so easy. Never have to leave the chair to look through a CD rack. All my CDs are in boxes in the attic. Don't even know why I keep them after I have ripped them.
I had a really nice Denon DCD-1650AR CD player which worked really well as a transport for my Lite Audio DAC-60, but the convenience of the music server won out. The Denon offered a marginally better sound than the CXN (the difference is very subtle), but when I want the best sound, I listen to vinyl.
Until recently, server based music systems were ridiculously complicated and took a lot of finagling to get working and even then there were (seemingly) constant software upgrades and we went from wav to flac to whatever Apple annoyingly uses to be "apple."
I didn't see a single box solution that would finally make it simple to store and play music files in a system. I guess no one wanted to develop a player that would need an upgrade while it was in your car on the way home.
But recently I have seen solutions from Pioneer and I think Sony. I can only imagine that the rest will follow.
Oh well... thanks for an interesting discussion.
Until recently, server based music systems were ridiculously complicated and took a lot of finagling to get working and even then there were (seemingly) constant software upgrades and we went from wav to flac to whatever Apple annoyingly uses to be "apple."So what DOES Apple annoyingly use to be "apple"? Lets see. The options on Apple include MP3, AAC, ALAC, FLAC, WAV, AIFF, and a few others. Hmm, that sounds pretty much like any other computer based music server.
Can you be more specific? What essential formats do they support or not support that makes them annoying? Personally, I haven't run across anything.
As for CD players, I still own one.... but I've probably played it only 3 or 4 times in the past 3 or 4 years! It's probably more hassle to sell it than to wipe the dust from it every now and then. ;-)
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