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Hi all.
Might seem like a novice question but I have not owned a TT for 35 years. Just bought one again and really love it. It came with an Audio Technica AT95 MM, which is a very entry level piece but sounded ok for the most part. Just had my dealer install a new Hana SL ( low-output MC ) which retails for about 6 x more. This guy has been setting up tables for 40 years, so I did not question his abilities, and he set it up over 2-3 days, tweaking, listening, tweaking, listening until he felt it was as good as it can get before break in re-adjustment tuning.
To me, it's more involving and much quieter by overall means, but it can get quite zippy in the top end frequencies, like " shouty " or " heres your damned music " type of thing if you follow me. He did say this will subside after 30-50 hours or so...
Any other advice from my esteemed colleagues?
thanks
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But I suggest that you note what it's position is now and then try moving it further out a little bit at a time until you like what you hear.
My MC was thin sounding, too, until I gave it some more distance from it's pivot point. Not sure of the alignment issues, but if it sounds good and is in the ballpark (to me) of position, I say go with it.
Also good advice but I'd wait till break in and reassess. Since the OP has only a little cart experience I think we should defer to his dealer he said was experienced.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Burn in is an issue but let's talk about your phono stage since you didn't mention it. What is it? I assume it has an MC input and or a step up transformer. I assume your dealer set any adjustments for the stage like the load resistance and capacitence. Let us know about your phono stage.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
Hi.
Phono stage is a Gold Note PH-7 and matching PSU
This is a relatively unknown product line in North America, and yes, they do have cartridge loading plugs they offer if needed, yet I am uncertain to as if they are actually needed as this is not a cartridge that requires additional loading options ( from my limited understanding ) . Perhaps I will wait it out past the initial 30-50 hour mark and if it still continues, I will investigate this further but you may very well be right. It'd not that it sounds unacceptable or lacks enrgy, focus or clarity, just a bit harsh in the upper frequencies on " some " recordings...
thanks for all you help guys !
Gold Note makes nice stuff but info is tough since its made in Italy. I did find out your cartridge wants to be loaded at 400 ohms and that the default for the PH-7 is 470 on the MC input so that's pretty close but it can be changed internally.
Changing loading will affect sound but wait out the break in before you do anything IMO.
ET
"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936
I think your dealer (unlike some) gave you good advice. I have no experience with a Hana, but many (if not most) MC's can sound forward, thin, bass shy, and even downright irritating until they get at least 25 - 30 hours of play time. Some need even more time than that. My Denon needed about 80 hours to achieve its best, but it became listenable after about 30. So let the Hana play, and sit down and listen every so often and see if the sound is moving in the right direction. I'd be very surprised if it doesn't improve substantially.
Edits: 09/18/16
Thank you all those who chimed in, you are gentleman and have been very helpful and I truly appreciate the years of experience in these forums....
The last turntable I has was very many years ago during my academic years and quite frankly, as long as we had some beer in the fridge and a table that didn't feed back ( too much ) when you let it howl, we didn't much care !
I have learned to appreciate the many music lovers and analogue enthusiasts whom have helped me along the way. My dealer carries some pretty impressive upper echelon analogue products from the likes of Brinkman, Transrotor, Oracle just to name a few and has been selling tables for at least 30 years, so when I took the table for him to set up, he played with it off and on for about 3 days before he was confident he had done his best ( as usual ). I simply felt no need in my limited knowledge to question his expertise and just took it home to enjoy....
I think that many of you have given me succinct and constructive advice so I'll just wait it out a bit and in that process, will adjust the internal settings suggested so I know I have a proper load and just sit back and enjoy.
Let them black discs roll ! :> )
thanks again fellas.
You haven't mentioned what table you have, this leaves me to wonder if it has adjustable VTA. If the arm has a fixed height then adjusting the cartridge to the best possible setup as your dealer has might still be something less than optimal for the cartridge in question. It's been my experience if the VTA is too forward so will be the musical presentation, and too laid back again so goes the presentation.Look at the arm when playing, does it appear level, or is it tail up/down? Most cartridges are designed to be correct when the arm is level with the playing surface, there are exceptions. Grados tend to like to ride slightly tail down, at least that's been my experience. If you do adjust VTA or overhang just remember to reset VTF, an inexpensive scale to adjust stylus force is essential here.
Now if talking sibilance, this could be a cart/arm mismatch, again knowing the table used would be a big help.
I've recently experienced just how important perfect synergy between arm and cart can be with my Grace G707 arm/Grace f8-L'10 cartridge setup.
Martin
Edits: 09/28/16 09/28/16
He's right about the burn in time. to give an example, when I first bought my amps that I use now they sounded "canned" and I started wondering if I had just thrown my money down the toilet. I kept listening for a couple of weeks and then one day it just sounded odd. I listened for a couple of hours and the next day they sounded great. They were the first component I ever had that required burn in and it was worth the wait.
Listen to what he told it. I'm willing to bet he was right and eventually you will be congratulating yourself on a wise purchase.
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