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In Reply to: RE: Lawyer who sued Led Zepplin for plagiarism... posted by Mr. Dick Hertz on July 01, 2016 at 12:56:07
It is the judicial system and legislature that supports this shit. First of all when did Stairway To Heaven come out, sometime in the 1970s right ? Whatever happened to the statute of limitations ?
Now apparently there is no public domain. I don't know exactly how that happened but I am part of the public, where is my check ? And was what they supposedly plageurised not in public domain ? If not, still what of that statute of limitations.
That lawyer probably is a scumbag, and in fact that article at the link indicates he is not the best lawyer in the world. But what about the guy he was working for ? Who is going to sue a bunch of 80 year olds over a song they did like 40 years ago because some of the notes resemble something he, or probably one of his ancestors wrote, that did not become one of the top hits in the world ? What kind of rent seeking scumbag even hires a lawyer and tries to do this ?
Think about it. This lawyer, no matter what, did not instigate the suit on his own. He can't because he has no dog in the race. And then, if I was a lawyer and someone wanted to start a case like that I would first charge them a retainer, and then send them to a psychologist.
But he took the case, and I bet not on a contingency either, he would have to be stupid. He would have to know that such a case has very slim odds of being won. And who is this guy and where was he for forty years ? What, he never heard the song before ? Yeah right.
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Not really. JURB's post is filled with supposition and inaccuracies.
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The Plaintiff from the band Spirit had arguably the best and freshest album of 1968; not nobodies. There are definite similarities between the Spirit song and Stairway. Just visit You Tube for a long video that explores the similarities of chord structures.
That said, there's links of musical structure from Bach to Brahms, etc. Or how about all the White Boys who unashamedly play Albert King and Buddy Guy? And don't even mention Tin Pan Alley!
As Abraham Lincoln put it, "it's all bullshit!"
OK, I listened to it ad there is alot of similarity. Alot.
But does that give them rights to bunch of the money someone subsequently made on it ? First of all their tune was really undeveloped in compare. I see now that i was not in public domain yet, so again where were these people who wanted to sue back then.
And another thing, Led Zepplin is based in England and it is possible that US copyright laws simply did not apply. If not, even though the Constitution does not allow for rights of foreigners (a point of contenting recently actually but not back then) it does not allow for retroactive laws. So if the copyright laws did not cover this then, they cannot, by law, cover it now.
Now it is rant time. these record company moguls and a few others are claiming rights to old music that was in public domain. Who the fuck do they think they are ? Don't you think that if you write a song, play it and sing it and even get rich off of it that eventually that is coming to an end and you have to write another song ? Or do you think that writing one song should get you lifelong royalties, and for the next three or four generations of your family ? Do you think it is right for your greatgreat grandkids to get a check from the RIAA because you wrote a song and sung it ?
And they don't. The RIAA people got that through congress and the record companies get that money. Do you think that is right ? Diana Ross and the Supremes died in fucking poverty, while some suit made all kinds of money. When I downloaded music, don't tell me I stole from the artist, I stole from the goniffs who stole from the artists and I am damn proud of it.
Bottom line, beam me up Scotty. There is some intelligent life here but you don't want anything to do with them. They are nasty MFs. Get me the hell outta here.
Not one.
"A lot". Not "alot".
"Alot" is not a word.
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