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In Reply to: RE: 'Interesting developments on the other side of the pond' ... posted by andyr on June 24, 2016 at 03:37:28
Do you know of any elected bureaucracies?
Besides the EU can not make any laws without them being passed by the individual national governments as well.
The problem was an almost completely incapable Remain campaign leader who unfortunately is also our PM and a leave campaign based on fear, misinformation, wishful thinking and overinflated sense of self-importance.
Scotland and Northern Ireland overwhelmingly voted to remain (as did London) in the EU and the leave result will likely cause the United Kingdom to break up for good turning Great Britain into little england.
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...the Brexit campaign sounded a lot like a certain "presumed presidential nominee" here basing it on fear, foreigners and open borders.
With the EU, trade and borders between the EU countries was open, like between our states.
If you notice it was the rural "fly-over" part of England that voted to leave - fearing the influx of Eastern European (Bulgaria, Romania, etc) workers coming in who took the low paying jobs Britians wouldn't do.
Yes very much like that guy.
It was mostly the over 60s who voted leave. Seems they've forgotten that joining the EEC/EU saved the UK from certain bankruptcy back in the '70s.
big England with all of those awaiting handouts.
England can no longer afford Scotland; best to let it go. Problem is the EU would not want them either. They have enough basket cases on their hands now. Before Scotland decides to secede they better make sure they are wanted by Brussels. Maybe Brussels thinks they can use the Scots recruits for their EU Army? From one master to another ...
All of the money the UK has poured into Wales ...
Just as many companies are realizing that great size is an impediment. It is an enlightened people who see the analogy with governments. Big business needs big government; it is a symbiotic arrangement that benefits few other than the participants in the deals.
Here we get cheap goods which are good for the people who have lost their jobs due to their former employers getting the stuff they used to make from Chinese factories. I think many of them are waking up to this bizarre arrangement.
If you prefer to be dictated to that is your preference. After all, when one starts as a subject it is not that great a leap. But it seems quite a few of your countrymen have seen enough of the EU nonsense.
If it was so wonderful why are other countries lining up to leave?
The ECC part was fine and I feel sure it will remain but to put into place The EURO and this vast new bureaucracy was a bridge too far. A bad implementation of Napoleon and Hitler's dream of a "united" Europe; it has too much in common with its predecessors. Not the warring, obviously, but the attempt at removing national identities and cultural differences. Homogeneity from the same people who are always going on about "diversity", doesn't that raise suspicions of motive?
Nationalism is not a dangerous thing. The Left with its ambitions of world government have successfully made it seem like the problem. Sure are lots of wars going on in a world that has supposedly put nationalism to rest. I cannot see what is wrong with loving your country and wanting the best for it. AND wanting to maintain its culture without interference.
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"Sure are lots of wars going on in a world that has supposedly put nationalism to rest."
Which of the EU countries is it that are at war with each other?
I'm trying to remember the last time I saw a "Made in England/UK/Britain" label on anything. It's been a long time. Hope they are able to deal with the market changes.
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I read on the net that the UK is the 11th largest manufacturer in the world. They make all kinds of things, cars, motorcycles, toys, cookware, drugs... There is a site called Still Made in Brittan. There is something called the internet now that could be used before making such inaccurate statements. T
Hopefully, by answering, it will not be? :-))
You hit the nail on the head, IMO, with your comment " The ECC part was fine and I feel sure it will remain but to put into place The EURO and this vast new bureaucracy was a bridge too far ".
But you forgot to include those from the poor, eastern European countries, who have no free medical help so they flock to England for medical handouts, as well as jobs.
Andy
Scotland pays more money to Westminster than they get back.
Wales got more money from the EU than from Westminster so did my current home town of Birmingham.
Big business loves small countries as it gives them much more leverage.
Like Rupert Murdoch said when asked why he suports leave:"When I call Downing Street they do what I say but Bruxelles takes no notice."
The EU employs 50 000 bureaucrats, Westminster 440 000.
The EU parliament (the people who actually make decisions, every single one democratically elected) has 750 members, the UK House of Commons (semi-democratically elected) 650 and the completely unelected House of Lords 800.
The english have tried to eliminate welsh identity for 500 years and the scottish for 200 and failed miserably. Whining about losing their identity just shows a total lack of confidence by the english in their own culture.
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