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In Reply to: RE: What you are talking about is holographic recording... posted by bullethead on April 30, 2016 at 07:31:52
Hi !
thanks a lot again for the valuable advice.
I am on HPs now.
I will listen to the recording asap on the stereo system.
My idea is very trivial.
Usually we listen to speakers that have more or less a 180 degrees dispersion and radiate mostly frontally.
This is the 90% of the cases i guess.
Even planars soundstage better when the back emission is absorbed.
So the idea is to use mics that capture only frontally to mirror the speaker behaviour.
I am thinking to buy two cardioid mics and a cheap recorder just to check if i am right.
Exciting topic indeed this one of the recording.
Sorry for the trivial questions but i am a beginner.
Thanks a lot again.
Kind regards,
bg
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Many different ways to record music. I know one person who uses spaced cardiods 9' apart. His speakers are spaced 9' apart so they match exactly the same as the position of the microphones. Stereo width is excellent going way beyond the speakers with orchestral and concert band recordings.
Hi !
" Many different ways to record music. I know one person who uses spaced cardiods 9' apart. His speakers are spaced 9' apart so they match exactly the same as the position of the microphones. Stereo width is excellent going way beyond the speakers with orchestral and concert band recordings "
Thank you very much indeed. This is exactly what i am feeling.
In some way mics and speakers should "mirror" each other.
I really do not understand why instead all the major audiophile labels use omnidirectional mics.
As said in the Shure brochure
" Cardioid microphones are most sensitive to sound at the front and least sensitive at the back. Their unidirectional pickup makes for affective isolation of unwanted ambient sound and high resistance to feedback when compared to omnidirectional alternatives.
Cardioid microphones are essential when considering a mic for live performance "
i should have added that my dream is to be able to make some live recordings of group of singers or unamplified instruments during village concerts. You know those amateurs groups. Some are also good.
Another way could be to use some lens on the back of the mic to stop the rear sounds.
However your words have confirmed my feelings.
Thanks a lot again.
Kind regards,
bg
Hi bg,
Glad my post was of help. For recording performances with an audience, cardiods are great for rejecting audience noises. Spaced cardiods can give an excellent sense of space. Yes, one must be careful or you can get that hole in the middle of the sound stage. Obviously omni microphones pick up more of the room.
" Hi bg, Glad my post was of help "Hi ! very much indeed. It confirmed my idea. I am about to buy something to try some recordings but first i would like to get some basics.
I have a great interest for recording live performance of small groups.
When there is a mixer there is not much to do. Plug and record.
But when mics are involved the things get both tricky and interesting." For recording performances with an audience, cardiods are great for rejecting audience noises. Spaced cardiods can give an excellent sense of space. Yes, one must be careful or you can get that hole in the middle of the sound stage "
i think that this should be the most recommendable choice then.
" Obviously omni microphones pick up more of the room "
sometimes something more can be too much. Everything started from listening to omnispeakers. I was listening to an unbelievable high quality pair of MBL speakers ominidirectional.
I have never heard a cleaner sound in my life. The voice of the singer was dramatically real.
But i could not locate the singer in the space at all. The sound was coming from all around in a way that was confusing.
Because the people demoing the system were kind i ask them to play a track that i knew has a great depth in soundstage.
Again i could not locate the instruments in the space.
Instead with other monitors the transparency of the MBL system was just not approachable but bam ... the soundstage was there, deep and wide.
For me soundstage is everything.I will buy something with cardioids for sure.
Thanks a lot again.
Kind regards,
bg
Edits: 05/01/16
Interesting to see what you think of that recording. It is one and just one unidirectional mic, I asked some here before on their thoughts, they said they can hear the atmosphere ....
There is no one right way, MBL definitely is way far advanced for it time because recordings just plain are horrible, especially mass market music.
" Interesting to see what you think of that recording. It is one and just one unidirectional mic, I asked some here before on their thoughts, they said they can hear the atmosphere .... "
i will report for sure. With HPs the effect is not evident.
I will do it asap.
" There is no one right way, MBL definitely is way far advanced for it time because recordings just plain are horrible, especially mass market music "
They look like omnidirectional speakers to me with very advanced drivers. Those drivers are really something. But other omni have been built in the past. The big difference is in the quality of the drivers. These of the MBL are quite unique.
But omni is not a new concept.
I do not like it by the way.
I like good horn speakers with controlled dispersion.
Thanks a lot again.
Kind regards,
bg
Here is famed conductor Herman Scherchen with his omnidirectional design from the 1950s. Bose had nothing on him.
Hi ! i think i have found what i meant to say.
That the mic pattern should be similar to the speaker dispersion.
If we look at the polar dispersion of a normal frontal radiating speaker is very similar to cardioid pattern.
So the best solution for recording a stero track would be a pair of cardioid mics rightly positioned.
Does this make sense ?
Thanks again.
Kind regards,
bg
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