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In Reply to: RE: Would you care to provide some examples? posted by E-Stat on April 24, 2016 at 16:40:59
Examples of what?
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Am I alone in finding the majority of modern equipment amusical?
"Modern equipment" presumably vs vintage equipment.
Maybe you're not listening to what's available. What's your point of reference as to "modern equipment"?
Considering that I have heard nearly every component made in the last 50 years, I can't say that I have missed much.
Until a year ago, I was constantly auditioning gear at all price-points the world over!
Even the Japanese have sold out to this deluded western pursuit of "modern sound"!
If anyone else has anything to say, please chime in.
Can you give just one example of a modern component you auditioned that you feel has "sold out" or whatever to the modern sound.A specific component. With brand and model.
Edits: 04/25/16
I would rather not mention anything specifically!
Well then I hope you can understand that few are going to take your statement seriously and view it as more of an attempt to troll.
Without specifics, you're sounding like a grumpy old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn.
Give us some examples of equipment you enjoy and the modern equivalent you think is lesser for the pursuit of "modern sounds" and maybe then we will be able to have an intelligent conversation about it.
First of all, you misunderstood my post concerning the Accuphase/Avalon setup. It is the most true-to-life system that money can buy, and as such, I enjoyed it immensely!
But this is $300,000 dollars worth of gear we are talking about!
Again, I did not come here to bad-mouth any particular make or model of gear, so that's out!
How about what they are doing differently in design?
OR
Who is doing it right, in your opinion? Is anyone?
I looked at your past posts and I don't think you're trolling. I DO think you're being a bit vague and that you're thinking manufacturers are a bit more sensitive than they are.
Would that help?
I guess you missed this one.
"No, it is really a question of musicality, or lack thereof! The majority of modern components are full of fatigue, and devoid of harmonic content.
Soundstage, imaging, details up the wazoo! but little to no musicality!"
Yes I had missed that one.
I'm going to have to disagree on some of those points. I find lots of modern equipment as good or better than classics stuff with the exception of the very advanced turntables/cartridges from the late 80's which are still superior to many things available today.
To each his own!
And again, the majority to different degrees, not all!
What's to agree or disagree with an utter lack of any information?
Yes
No
What are we talking about anyway?
... to say absolutely nothing.
Is my Accuphase DP70v (the most natural sounding player) good enough for you?
Did you modify your Accuphase to have murky Black Cat caps and dull compressed sounding carbon comp resistors dampened with some mold? Maybe you weren't listening to recordings of records so you could get the satisfaction of clicks and pops, my fav. I also love tape hiss.
No. Heard better at Sea Cliff years back.
So what exactly is this "non-modern" system that is so wonderful?
I assume you are able to describe such. Do enlighten us all!
"So what exactly is this "non-modern" system that is so wonderful?"A masterfully rebuilt and modified Citation 1 preamp, feeding a set of full-range, vintage triode tube amps, driving a set of Shindo Latours (Oop's), fed by a rebuilt Garrard 301 with proper plinth and stand, plus a select Ortofon SPU!
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And you find modern SET and/or push/pull triode amps too revealing and what? Not warm enough (sonically speaking). Personally, I have found the modern SETs to outperform most of the vintage tube gear I have heard by being revealing and precise as well as having a natural tonality. Best of both worlds IMO.
I have heard rebuilt Garrards a number of times and never found them ultimately to be my thing...I much prefer my 1980s Yamaha GT-2000 ;-). I was never a fan of the Ortofon SPU sound...
What is the driver in the Shindo Latour? Is it an Altec coaxial driver?
I find it interesting you mention a Citation 1 preamp but that it has been rebuilt and modified. Rebuilt with vinatge or modern parts? Modified how and if it was so much better than modern gear why was it modified at all?
Finally, you mention an Accuphase cd player but I do not know from what year it comes? Is it from the late 80s, the 90s, early 2000s? You imply it is vintage but if it is not 80s or early 90s then I would still call it a modern player.
What I can agree with you on is that the older cd players/DACs that used good multibit chips like the Burr Brown PCM63 or the ambitious UltraAnalog D20400, were more musical, but still very resolving, compared to "modern" DAC chipsets that were driven more by cost cutting than any real sonic advantage. I use "vintage" DAC chipsets in my digital to this day.
Best to define vintage , 50,'s,60's ,70's,80's which era and what components ?
I'm sure vintage state of the art Audio will sound good today as it did in the late 60's , better in everyway than modern day stuff , i'm doubtful of that , but yes i can see one being able to put together a vintage system to rival modern day Audio ..
Nice, but I think you'll find those who prefer otherwise.
As for "vintage triode tube amps", that doesn't say much at all. I think you'll find there are hundreds available today.
driving a set of Shindo Latours (Oop's),
Two way horns based upon an Altec design?
fed by a rebuilt Garrard 301 with proper plinth and stand, plus a select Ortofon SPU!
Ever heard a Clearaudio Statement with Goldfinger cartridge?
These are just a few examples!
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