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In Reply to: RE: Old-school, and the quest for musical nirvana posted by SoundMann on April 24, 2016 at 11:32:46
"Musical"?
You have dared to use the "M" word, now please help define it.
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Musical = warm, inviting, involving, natural, non-fatiguing sound!
Oh, Glad you explained it. I thought you were talking about horribly murky compressed capacitors and dull carbon resistors. Tweaker
I'd venture to guess that you might like a big, biG, BIG pair of cone + dome speakers that have some upper bass/lower midrange emphasis.A pair of used Harbeth M-40.1 speakers should serve your needs just fine. Expect to pay upwards of $7000...
The updated 40.2 version sells for only $15,000 but I believe that they sound a bit more "modern" than the older 40.1 version does.
Good Luck in your quest for *musical nirvana*.
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I have enough speakers, big or otherwise. They are not the problem.
... something called "musicality".
If the root of this problem is not loudspeakers then where does the root of this problem lie? Would you suggest that *digital sound* alone is to blame?
What I am saying is, digital has not only ruined recordings, but the objectives concerning the very pursuit of what things should sound like!
Well, it is easy to get SOTA imaging and soundstaging from a vintage vinyl system. I have a Yamaha GT-2000 that is from the early 80s and was one of the great direct drive TTs of that era. I use a modern Audio Technica AT150MLX cartridge and feed that into a superb Silvaweld, all tube phonostage. That last bit, the phonostage, is critical BTW.
The pursuit of better imaging and soundstaging has been a goal of hifi for a long time and rightly so or there wouldn't be a need for stereo at all! However, I do agree that most modern systems throw out the baby with the bath water! That doesn't mean there aren't modern ones that can't do what you want on top of the high resolution etc.
Your examples above of an Accuphase, Avalon type system would give me the shivers and I would never call that SOTA from a music listening POV.
our examples above of an Accuphase, Avalon type system would give me the shivers and I would never call that SOTA from a music listening POV.
He says that is the best sounding system available today at any price (according to exactly whom?) and then complains about it.
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't choose those components either. :)
E-stat, you are nothing but a troll!
Right-ty-O!
Welcome to the Asylum. I think you'll find you will be better received when your posts aren't of what Manny succinctly identified as:
"Without specifics, you're sounding like a grumpy old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn. "
Does anyone actually believe you've owned ALL the state-of-the-art gear available today? You must be joking. :)
The sound of today's speakers ARE part of the problem!
I think what people are asking is you specify what manufacturers/models you find to be lacking. 'Modern' is painting with far to wide a brush to be meaningful.
'Old is Better' means nothing to me.
'The Gigantor 300x, driven by the Zorbitron II with [insert source here]
sounds sterile compared to [detailed list of vintage gear here] ' is something people would understand.
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Most of my critical listening is done with headphones anyhow.
I really like Senneheiser HD-650 when I'm in the mood for a relaxing listen. Powered by my balanced-drive DNA Sonett amp, they really come alive in a very (ahem!) *musical* way.
Slightly dark sounding, the sonic perspective they provide reminds me of when I'm sitting several rows back from the performance, in a large hall venue. I consider them to be the ideal headphones when I'm listening to large-scale classical music recordings.
That describes my system
Shindo preamp, David Berning power amps, Maggie 3.6 speakers, Rega turntable, Audio-GD Master7 dac. I love the fact that I can totally lose myself in the beauty of this system
Alan
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