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Had a big discussion on this pic on another forum. That's a 240lb, $46K Boulder 2060 amp that little child is using as a table. But that's not really the issue so much as having the child near high voltage tube amps, cabling etc., with liquids. Yay, or nay?
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I don't let my wife get that close to my gear. As a matter of fact I don't let my friends get that close either. Too many bad experiences with clumsy people...or maybe too many cocktails?
Past the awesome audio equipment.
Nyuk nyuk nyuk
ET
child audio porn.
And beaten with a whip, 100 lashes for child exploitation.
LOL
Nothing except the classe m600 are on. We just put her there for size reference and took her back out. The sippy cup is sealed. She has lived with the Cary 211fe tube amp since the beginning and she had been trained to avoid it at all costs and she has.
The reason for the boulder 2060 is so I could sell the tube amps. Too dangerous for a kid.
The classe is usually what my wife chooses to use when the kid is playing in the room. It is the coolest coldest amp. My child is less than 2 and knows how to use the CD player and the volume on the preamp.
She doesn't go in the room unsupervised.
And what you don't see in the pic is the wife is next to me.
Thanks for all the comments and concerns.
It's cool that your daughter is already a music lover. :)
I am not sure of that. Just touching and going to the tube amps at the age of 2 doesnt make her a music lover. The parents should keep her in their lap and play music to her. They should also put a barrier near all those shockful of equipments.It is upsetting to see such irresponsible acts on the part of the parents.
Bill
My daughters were around my gear, tube-amps and all kinds of speakers since they could walk. Just like training them to go up and down stairs safely (slide backwards on their tummies), they were trained to stay away from the warm gear for safety. When they were curious, we showed them and never needed to restrict or put up barriers. To each their own, but there are many ways to keep kids safe. Some parents have locks on everything, gates and barriers. We went the other way and it worked perfectly. the girls are 18 and 16 now and turned out better than we'd hoped. Both play instruments and have an abiding love of music.
Just touching and going to the tube amps at the age of 2 doesnt make her a music lover.
Who said that? I refer to:
"...and knows how to use the CD player and the volume on the preamp. "
I was seven before being able to cue up Zippidy-Do-Dah on my small player and setting the gain! How about you?
They should also put a barrier near all those shockful of equipments.
At the expense of confusing the issue with facts, both the Bolder and Cary amps were not powered up.
Equipments?
I have 3 boys growing up when I had the ARC tube based system in my listening room together with Martin Logan Monolith III speakers. I have trained the boys not to touch anything and can only go near it when I'm around. Although, there was an instance when one of the boys friend decided to play DJ on my VPI TNT turntable of which it took the alignment on my tonearm out of specs, but other than that the album was ok.Even today, the boys are in their 27, 24 and 16 years of age and still won't touch my system without asking my permission first. BTW, they are using my system as a reference for listening to their owned recorded music. Obviously, being around with a high-end stereo system while growing up did have an effect on them regarding the quality of sound.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
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The mention of your ARC-based system and children reminded me of a story. I have ARC equipment and my amps do not have cages. While at RMAF one year I asked the ARC rep if they still made the cages, because I then had a grandson who was at the crawling stage. He replied that they did not, but that "it shouldn't matter because, if he touches the tubes once or twice, he'll learn never to do it again." When asked if he had any children, he answered, "No." Several other grandchildren followed and only one has touched a tube. I usually keep my class D amp on when they are around, even though they are old enough now to know not to touch the tubes. The turntables are more of a problem. Fingers crossed on that front.
The way I looked at it if I want my system to live with the boys I need to managed it and if I want my boys to live with my system I need to trained them.In their early age I let each of them touched the tubes to let them know how hot it is and not only that I also explained to them the danger when one of them ever spilled juices. Milk or cereal on the tube equipment.
Luckily, they listened early on and I've never had any mishap from burning fingers and or electrical shock from anyone of them. Although, I'd found out one day that one of my speakers driver had a hole in it the size of a finger. I interrogate each one of them but, none of them cracked to tell me who did it. I had a hunch of who did it, however, I decided to let it be as I thought they have learned a very valuable lesson in life by sticking together through thick and thin as brothers should be.
If a thing's worth doing, it's worth doing well
(Proverb)
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nt
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Weirdest stag photo I've ever seen.
Agree. Not quite as risque as I remember stag photos in my yoot.
Everyone thinks I'm strange except my friends deep inside the earth
The child's safety is paramount, keep the kid, send me the gear for safe keeping.
Um... no thanks.
cute.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
A little background on the story. Kid didn't feel well all week. First time yesterday morning she felt better. I brought her to the room and because I had just commissioned 2 goons to bring the boulder 2060 from the cold garage... It was still cold to the touch.So what does a toddler do who feels ill?
Touches the new amp and finds that it cold like ice.
And the she starts looking through a Sam smith cd and plays with it on the boulder.
The sippy cup was place on the opposite side of her so sh wouldn't reach it without me controlling the situation.
Nothing in the foreground is plugged, not the boulder or the Cary. Only the classe. It is playing sweet music while my wife and I played with our sick baby in our stereo room.
Dad has been so bummed that he hasn't even turned on the boulder to listen.
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It's even MORE disturbing with her face "duck taped" out!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Toddler in a room full of high voltage and exposed vacuum tubes. I hope that they removed the child after the photo was taken.
An aside: Why is there a folded mat under the mega-bucks amp?
Good point. I believe it was a staged controlled photo shoot.The amp was more than likely not even plugged in to AC power or hooked up to anything. I would bet on the bottom of the amp there are air vent louvers for cooling of the amp. The vents would be plugged by the mat.
I would be willing to bet the tube amp behind the child was not powered up either. Gear on the rack was powered on for visual appearance and was well away from the child's reach, imo. Again the photo shoot was staged and in a controlled setting. The child was not subjected to any danger or risk imo.
Hell for all we know the Sippy cup was sealed closed in the event the child accidently tipped it sideways so there was no chance of any leakage.
Next question.
I swear the first time I looked at the photo the kids face was not hidden, blocked out. Am I wrong?
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I blocked it out because I felt it was the right thing to do.
More than the kid, I am offended by the pairing of seemingly good electronics with B & W speakers.
Nt
nt
Shocking!
1. Don't have kids;
2. Don't spend $46k for an amp.
my only issue is the big Hubble connector
That child's fingers are about the correct gauge....
Happy Listening
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Jim
http://jimtranr.com
Safety to the child aside, who puts an amp like that on a rolled up carpet?
stupid; and the person is putting the child in harms way in so many ways. It was mentioned below that the father is a doctor? Too bad education didn't sharpen his brain but I have had to deal with plenty of doctors that put patients in harms way and some that by their actions, allowed the patient to die.
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As what others stated here, the child getting zapped or amps getting trashed if fluid gets in them...... But also, children that age love pushing in dust caps on speaker drivers..... Those B&W woofers are pushed-in dust caps about to happen....
It's a good way to fry an amp and lose a grandkid. But then, sippy cups leak slowly and Dad is taking the picture.
-Rod
Let's hope not.
Regardless, it seems stupid to allow a small kid with a sippy cup near such expensive equipment. The stuff on the racks in the background are, most likely, the only things that are plugged into any outlets.
...of Lumi's posts?
Don't know anyone by that name, this guy's a young doctor.
...
NT
All I see is danger, danger danger. Liquid and electricity just doesn't mix well.
No worries, worries, worries. Read his explanation, a safely staged photo shoot. No danger involved.
Everyone thinks I'm strange except my friends deep inside the earth
Nt
Just kidding! :-)
They do. But f#&k, it's awful music.
91.
"Confusion of goals and perfection of means seems to characterise our age." Albert Einstein
Awful music is LESS AWFUL on vinyl, especially if it makes their vinyl rig sound good.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
;)
"I know just enough to get into trouble. But not enough to get out of it."
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reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
A small army has been following my homepage since it began in 2005. Once I had kids, they grew up with, on, and around the dozens of hi-if products which came through. When maybe half a dozen Inmates spied my photos of infants crawling on or handling > $10,000 gear, they (the Inmates) got their panties in a bunch. But were these the guys who were actually here, watching over the kids, teaching those kids, listening to music? Nope.As one of my audio buddies remarked, we audiophiles, through carelessness, recklessness, stupidity, or sheer bad luck, do more harm to the equipment and to ourselves, than our infants or pets do. As 2-year-olds, my kids knew what to avoid, and how to operate the systems safely.
My kids are now in elementary school. They, and their classmates, know more about popular music than we audiophiles do. Yes, my kids have been exposed to audio and music since they were in their mommy's tummy. But today's kids also have apps, instruments, computers, devices, video games, YouTube instructional videos, and programs, to learn about, and how to play, music.
When I was growing up, each generation abhorred the next generation's music. Today's children have broken that cycle. It heartens me, to see school kids thoroughly enjoying, for example, 80s music. And what used to be risque or the "devil's music" no longer has a stigma or taboo attached to it. For example, I've seen elementary school kids freely and enthusiastically perform Motley Crue's "Wild Side," Slayer's "Reign In Blood," and Naughty By Nature's "Hip Hop Hooray" to a T.
And when you see a few of us old Stereotypical Audiophiles get upset and jealous, you know the kids are all right, and that we old dudes are the problem.
-Lummy The Loch Monster
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I immediately thought of you when I saw the pic.
You should see one of my cats jump on the speaker, then on top of the record cabinet which the right amp sits on, then onto the window sill behind the gear. Never been a problem and I've no intention of trying to break her of the habit. She has her system down, and it doesn't affect my system!
marc g. - audiophile by day, music lover by night
Yes, I can understand why.
Consider yourself lucky.
My son and his friends discovered classic rock on Guitar Hero and love it.
NT
Nt
Not my kid not my problem.
I have troubles of my own without kids and a wife,
Like which DAC to use and which car to drive.
Unfortunately it could be your problem - other people's kids grow up into adults and could cause all sorts of problems that may affect you. But that's a big picture societal discussion.
Laughing...
This is just an audiophile culture thing. Instead of tellin' the kids to go play in traffic, give 'em a sippy cup and tell them to go play around the glass tubes and lethal DC voltages.
More seriously, at least the Cary amp isn't powered up. One slip and the resulting skin contact with an 845 tube at operating temp would not be happy.
"More seriously, at least the Cary amp isn't powered up. One slip and the resulting skin contact with an 845 tube at operating temp would not be happy."
But the kid would learn to not touch the fucking tubes.
and very irresponsible for anything resembling an adult to allow.
Accidents happen in mili seconds; which is slow motion when it comes to electricity.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Both Boulder and Wilson came to demo their products (that very amp) at a club meeting. I don't know which one (or both) was the offender....awful.
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