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I believe that room acoustic is extremely important and that a modest (but good quality and properly matched) system in an acousticaly friendly room will sound better than a high end system in a room with bad acoustic.
I have seen this very opinion expressed by other people too, hi fi reviewers, etc.
What I did notice long ago but have never seen treated anywhere (internet forums, high fi magazines) is that the sound of a system will be affected not only by the room it sits in but also by the entire house acoustic.
I've noticed that things like furniture, computers, printers, radios which are in other rooms do affect (and sometimes very markedly) the sound.
For example I have a small portable CD player in another room and the sound of my hi fi will be noticeably affected by where it will sit (different tables, floor, etc)
This can be very frustrating and I would like to know if someone else have experienced it too.
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That's very interesting! (There is actually a coffee table right in front of my seat in the living room where I have my hi fi!)
Can you explain better? How did you learn that? Had you the same problem or have you read that somewhere?
He is right! You can hear and easily measure the result of a coffee table right in front of you. Lots of unwanted reflections. It is most bad with the center channel speaker in mch setups. For strictly stereo setups, it probably won't be quite as obvious a problem, doesn't bother me...
I went to "side tables", actually more convenient for the lazy listener, no having to move or bend to reach the beer, God forbid...typically not as nice-looking or neat or stylish as coffee tables can be though.
There is no doubt there are good and not so good sounding rooms, and good and bad sounding homes. Though I think the latter has more to do with electrical and electro-magnetic reasons.I live in a loft apartment in an apartment building. My system is along the long wall with an open hardwood staircase above my rack which sits above and behind my speakers, with an open atrium and timber venetian blinds to the right of my RH speaker. I have a long 3 meters long soft-upholstered sofa & rug. My listening room is also my living/dining room, so it is not technically ideal. However it all seems to work & sound good without room treatments. A quick clap test reveals a normal amount of resonance and decay, without echo.
With the above said, I plan on adding room treatments in future. I ruled out normal acoustic panels as I can't easily integrate them into my room. Instead I plan on having the master himself Franck Tchang personally treat my room with his Acoustic resonators. The resonators are small enough to not be too visually intrusive in a living/dining situation, and obviously having the opportunity for Franck to personally install the resonators is recommended if at all possible. I attached a link below fyi.
Returning to my earlier reference to electrical interference. Apartments in particular which typically have multiple electrical devices around the home & share mains cables with other apartments in the complex are susceptible to EMF and RFI interference from a range of sources (incl: wifi from neighboring apartments). Thus attention to AC power and ensuring your audio components are well shielded is essential. Higher end gear is generally well shielded against the effects of EMF and RFI, though one still has to address dirty mains power, under and over-voltage & provide robust surge protection. Some audiophiles install audiophile mains boards & run dedicated lines with audiophile wire which is fine, though a nightmare to retro-fit in an apartment. A perfectly acceptable alternative is upgrading to an audiophile wpo, using well shielded power cables & a good power conditioner with surge protection. That's the solution I use in my home & it works very well.
Vitus SCD025MkII, SIA025, Oppo BPD-103AU, Magico S5's, Taoc ASR racks + SCB-RS50g, Stillpoints Ultra 6's/Mini's/LPI's, Furutech GTX-D(G), Gigawatt PC-3 SE Evo, Jorma Prime pc's + xlr's/Statement sc's/Unity pc, Siltech Classic Anniversary rcas + HDMI
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But I call BS on this. I'm betting if someone removed that CDP from the room without your knowledge, you'd never hear a difference. Unless, as someone else postulated, that player is throwing gobs of RFI back into your musical reproductive chain.
Otherwise, it's a non-issue and no amount of audiophile bleating will sway me...
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I've got everything out on the lawn.I plan to bring things back in one-by-one.Hope it doesn't rain.
Tom:cat
You *know* what pieces you bring back in, and when. In order for this to work properly, someone else must be charged with returning items to the other room. And I'm still betting you'll never know when they do bring the "offending" piece back into the house...
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The problem with my house is that almost every wall is glass, (not good for sound) and has 12 foot ceilings. The rooms are quite big (need lots of amp power), but a good thing is that it is on a concrete slab and only 1 floor....excellent for turntable and speaker vibration control. It took me 3 years of experimentation to make the room sound good (not excellent in my opinion)...still working out some issues. ...the fun of being an audiophile.
No the little CDP does not need to be plugged in to affect the sound. Actually this was only an example. Here is another example. Today I installed an HP printer (in another room) and the sound became different, more heavy...(and a little worse).
The most influential in my opinion are heavy pieces of furniture and electronic devices even if small.
I actually listen with the door open but even closing it the effects are there.
Really the fun (or sometimes the nightmare) of being an audiophile ;)
That "might" affect your electrical circuitry enough to affect your main
system in a different room but on the same circuit.
IF it's battery operated THAT may affect your system IF the batteries aren't
treated properly. And I don't mean coddled.
If you read up on these things at the link, you may find your answer
OR go completely bonkers with the vast array of speculation regarding
audio systems and their interaction with, well, EVERYTHING.
Bring liberal grains of salt with you to the link.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
No the portable CDP does not need to be plugged in to affect the sound. Actually this was only an example. Here is another example. Today I installed an HP printer (in another room) and the sound became different, more heavy...(and a little worse).
The most influential in my opinion are heavy pieces of furniture and electronic devices even if small.
Really the fun (and sometimes the nightmare) of being an audiophile ;)
The effect I notice when relocating equipment is a possible, slight reduction in noise level. That's it. Computers are relatively noisy. If you move your computer to a more remote location, the reduction in noise level might make your stereo sound better.
That's just an example.
There's no cut-and-dried answer to how the "house acoustic" will affect the sound from your stereo. For some people, it will have no effect. For others, it might have quite a big effect. It probably depends mostly on architecture.
My guess is that closing or opening doors to rooms adjoining the listening room will have a bigger effect on the sound from your stereo than how the mass is arranged in those adjoining rooms.
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"Use adjectives instead of numbers, and you'll never be wrong again." ~ The Wizard of Audio Oz
Please lend me some of your magical thoughts so I can think vintage is wonderful, too.
Room acoustics have been the object of study for decades by scientists and engineers. I recently helped a guy do a sound level study of Orchestra Hall in Detroit. Because of the way the hall is constructed, it maintains an unusually even sound level throughout, with just an acoustic sound source.Auditorium dimensions, and what's in the auditorium, including chairs, drapes, exposed stage flooring, ceiling architecture, balcony openings, and so on all affect the sound coming from the stage.
So you can expect, mutatis mutandis, a lot of similar effects in your own livingroom.
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"Use adjectives instead of numbers, and you'll never be wrong again." ~ The Wizard of Audio Oz
Please lend me some of your magical thoughts so I can think vintage is wonderful, too.
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And how did the way chairs were placed etc in the hall adjacent to yours , affect the sound in yours.. ?
that's what the OP is talking about
Rodney Gold Cape Town
Roon-DIRAC minidSP DDRC22-Devialet- Giya G1's , twin SVS sb13 ultras
You may have noticed that I mentioned adjacent spaces -- i.e. balconies? Those things often have furniture in them. So that affects how those spaces respond acoustically. I don't feel like going into detail.Calb is probably off-target in a number of respects, but he's not completely wrong, I think.
Edit: Oops. I really meant to say boxes, not balconies, in this and the previous post. Boxes are more like adjacent rooms, and have movable pieces of furniture in them.
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"Use adjectives instead of numbers, and you'll never be wrong again." ~ The Wizard of Audio Oz
Please lend me some of your magical thoughts so I can think vintage is wonderful, too.
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I have a fully treated room , and agree.. room treatment is a must to get the best out of a system... however the other bit of your post re your cdp in another room will affect sound according to where its placed is too much foo for me
one effect is real .. room .. the other is probably in your mind ..
Rodney Gold Cape Town
Roon-DIRAC minidSP DDRC22-Devialet- Giya G1's , twin SVS sb13 ultras
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