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In Reply to: RE: midfi versus hifi posted by rockanroller on July 08, 2015 at 18:51:02
I can't say there's an exact line that one crosses over to go beyond 'midfi' and much of it is perception. Not counting the mass market consumer electronics brands, my idea of 'midfi' regardless of price, value, or performance includes the following:
My perception of midfi:
- Adcom
- NAD
- Rotel
- Cambridge
- Musical Fidelity
- Arcam
- Vincent
- Creek
- Pro-ject
- Jolida
- Outlaw
- Music Hall
- Peachtree
And several others that I'm forgetting.
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A $10k Musical Fidelity amp is midfi?
so what is your measurement?
i'm guessing reputation, the only criterion missing from your list.
thanks for interest.
roger wang
There is no specific measurement, just opinion and perception.Have you never formed an opinion on something based on 'gut feeling', how it's marketed, how it's priced, who sells it, how it looks, who buys it, what you hear or read about it, etc?
gut feeling (plural gut feelings) (idiomatic) an instinct or intuition; an immediate or basic feeling or reaction without a logical rationale. Don't think too hard about the answers to a personality test; just go with your gut feeling.
If you know of or have your own measures for what constitutes midfi please let us know.
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Music fidelity and music hall mid-Fi , you must be kidding ..... Lol
So what is YOUR perception of Music Hall and Musical Fidelity? There is no right or wrong here. It is after all opinion and perception and I find Music Hall and Musical Fidelity to be midfi along with Adcom, NAD, and the others I listed. What say you?
Abe ,MH have hi end tables and MF have very high end audio amplifiers , what you are doing is akin to saying Lexus is entry level because Toyota have entry level cars ..
So no I cannot agree to painting MF or MH with a broad mid-fi Brush ...
Regards
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Like I said, perception.
I've always thought of Music Hall as making entry turntables over seas, but they do appear to have some nice ones that are rather pricey.
Same thoughts for Musical Fidelity. Their foundation has been in value midfi electronics while trying to move up market.
Again, this is just how I see these companies which doesn't have to be in agreement with reality or how others view them.
And midfi to me isn't a bad thing. I've owned many midfi brands and like others, some are good and others not so great. Heck, a couple of my least favorite products came from Mark Levinson and Bryston.... which I consider to be 'high end'.
Perception , Well Fremer would agree ,
"Michaelson would like Musical Fidelity to be all things to all audiophiles. While building and marketing high-performance products that range in price from $200 to $30,000 is a worthy, even magnanimous goal, it's a process fraught with difficulties."Musical Fidelity is very much the high end and yes , selling entry level products...
Regards
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that rises to the big time?
roger wang
What about Sony, Pioneer, etc.
And where does pro-audio fall in the mix?
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat" - Confucius
Again, midfi is just how I perceive the equipment that I listed. Some could very well be high-end or complete junk to another. Manufacturers often want to convey an image for their product and a lot of times we form our own image regardless of the manufacturer's efforts.One example that comes to mind is my perception of Musical Fidelity. I have always viewed them as a value midfi brand. I had to laugh when they started coming out with their mega expensive integrateds and a couple high-end power amps.... and advertised them in catalogs like Audio Advisor.... and watched the price drop 50% or more a year later when the product doesn't succeed. Blow out sale!
I'm not a marketing expert but it seems to me that once you establish yourself as high value midfi brand, it's hard to claw your way up market.
re: Sony, Pioneer, etc. I did say, "Not counting the mass market consumer electronics brands,..." There are some 'high-end' products within these brands but overall mostly mass marketed stuff. I was pretty impressed with my Sony XA-7ES CDP back in the day.
I suppose there can be pro-audio 'midfi' but in general it doesn't cross over into the audiophile hobby. Sure, some do but not that common. Besides these are just my preconceived notions of 'midfi' and since I have almost zero experience with pro-audio gear, I couldn't come up with an opinion on what is junk, consumer, prosumer, or truly high-end pro-audio.
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Well, the responses are great and enlightening! my system is mostly vintage gear: Sony, SAE, Klipsch and was build in the early 80`s. It has been serviced and upgraded as needed . Would that be considered midfi today, versus hifi when they first were sold?
Thoughts?
Regards.
I wouldn't have the answer to your question and I doubt that anyone here will. Sorry.
Hi fi:
Audio Research
Magnepan
Aerial Acoustics
Vandersteen
Rogue
Ayre
Naim
Spendor
Harbeth
"A lie is half-way around the world before the truth can get its boots on."
-Mark Twain
A $2100 Rogue is hifi?
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