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In Reply to: RE: I'm guessing you are a vegan and live in a cave... posted by Vinyl Valet on May 07, 2015 at 13:13:15
He commented that it looks gaudy, and I fully agree. Way overdone, IMO, not Liberace but not appealing.
Then there's the subject of killing elephants for their ivory. One doesn't need to be a vegan to understand the impact, nor does it have anything to do with one's diet.
Name calling here isn't going to ingratiate you.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
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I just don't suffer fools gladly.
I didn't post this primarily because of the piano's looks or the ivory keys but the whole package; the history, the amazing technical skills involved in the restoration, the length of time it took, the incredible sound and action and my delight in being able to experience it first hand with my family. In general, I thought it would be an interesting read; especially the skill and effort Glen and his son took to restore the piano. What impressed me most was the sound and action. Would I want something like this in my living room? No, I'd prefer the equivalent sound and action in piano black. I have nothing financial or personal invested in this piano. Call it what you like. I just think it's a shame that with the many things to enjoy about the piano and article, some folks can't see the forest through the trees. And then, even worse, turn it into a political rant.
I guess I better think twice before I post an interesting story of an incredible violin or acoustic guitar. So then you guys will hammer me for the destruction of ancient hardwood forests, huge open pits mines for the metal for the strings, etc. Come on guys, get real.
Like they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Like those who wouldn't want that piano their home, I wouldn't be caught dead walking neolith's dogs around the neighborhood. But it's not because their dog crap is adding to the destruction of the planet. They are just plain silly looking. To each his own.
But if you are going to spout off publicly about one environmental atrocity but continue to indirectly or directly participate in 100s of other atrocities (but remain conveniently naive) then yes, your are a hypocrite. That's not name calling, that's a fact, Mr Walsh, arbitrator of what's politically correct.
I'm politically liberal and have been an environmentalist my whole life. Rather than spouting off on the internet, I quietly do everything possible to minimize my impact. After living for five years in Costa Rica, one of the eco capitals of the world, I've seen a whole other dark side to environmentalism; the hypocrisy and the reality, just follow the money. I left the US an idealist and returned a realist. So I have no patience with the likes of neolith; all talk and no action.
I'm just as appalled as any sensitive person by the current illegal slaughter of elephants (ivory), rhinos (horns), sharks (fins), etc. I can go on and on. But in the late 1800s when this ivory was harvested, it was legal and elephants were abundant. On the other hand a rhino horn connoisseur in another part of the world today where it is PC might be equally appalled at the conspicuous consumption and huge environmental impact of the audio equipment you sell and the energy it takes to run it all. It's all relative and somewhat cultural.
I find the way that 80% of pregnant sows are currently treated in giant US corporate farms so appalling, I wept. Far worse suffering than any elephant has experienced. And yes, I put my money where my mouth is; I don't eat pork among other animals that live in horrendous conditions. How about you? I don't know you well, maybe your are a vegetarian or vegan, but if I sent you substantial documentation to make this abundantly clear, will you immediately give up pork? I doubt it; all talk and no action. I consider the internal combustion engine one of our biggest modern environmental disasters. I drove my bicycle to work for the better part of 24 years before I retired. I could send you piles of documentation in this regard. Will you give up your vehicle and drive a bike? I doubt it. This is what I mean about hypocrisy.
I guess you guys have been and will continue to boycott any classical concert that has a piano with ivory keys.
So, why don't you tell everyone out there the real reason you choose to criticize me. Still pissed, huh. You certainly are not the paragon of ethics yourself.
Art Dudley is right. Why would anyone want to post here? Well, I'll never make that mistake again. Never in my life did I expect this kind of response. An interesting story about a musical instrument has turned into a political mess. Only at AA. I rarely see this at AudioKarma.
Someone makes a couple of critical comments, and you throw a fit.
This is the internet. Grow up.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
I am glad you don't find their poo objectionable as they probably produce less shit than you do. I actually enjoy taking them for walks as I usually get one or two comments every day on how good looking these dogs are but I guess I live in a different type of neighborhood than you do. And for the record, I will eat anything that moves.
I do appreciate the skill and effort that went into producing that piano, but I still find it unattractive. There is no need to get personal.
As far as the ivory issue, I understand that concerns were different 110 years ago, but the article says the piano was restored with the finest ivory, etc over the last 18 years and I do find that objectionable.
Edits: 05/07/15
I do live in a different kind of neighborhood. The only time we see dogs like yours, it's either a little old lady or a gay dude (not that there is anything wrong with that).
Nothing personal. Just making a point: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To each his own. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out. I saw your comment, then saw the dogs and it was like the pot calling the kettle black.
And just to make it perfectly clear. It wasn't the criticism of the piano that bothered me. It's your complete environmental hypocrisy.
I have to conclude that you are a pompous ass.
"I don't tolerate fools lightly." Because someone has a different opinion than you does not make them a fool -- calling those who disagree on aesthetics is in fact foolish.
Why mention the dogs at all or implying that those who own these dogs (they are Havana Silk Dogs by way) are gay. That's just plain stupid but is consistent with being an ass. BTW I did not make any claims about the dogs like you did about the piano.
You are fairly new to the Asylum so perhaps you should re-read the rules. The idea is to present ideas for discussion and opinion not to denigrate posters.
BTW, am I correct that the piano was refurbished with ivory in the last 18 years or did I misread the article that you attached.
Finally I have no idea about your comment "If you can't take it, then don't dish it out." It sounds like a childish school yard taunt, again made by an ass.
As far as being an environmental hypocrite - I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Are you saying dog owner's are environmentally hostile? What about cat owners? It would be my guess that 50% of the posters on AA own pets.
nt
I love musical instruments, but given that elephants, and all large herbivores, are being marched to extinction at an ever rapid pace, I too, and repulsed by ivory.
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