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...surprised me.
Follow Ups:
I'm going to call bullshit on the study. The next time you are watching television check out the commercials - they're the things companies use to persuade you to buy their stuff.
Ever notice how many of them use hip-hop music for a backdrop?
Not very many. That's because the people that matter to them (the people with money in their pocket) either can't relate to hip hop, or like me, they just plain hate it.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
The article doesn't say the findings of the study show that hip hop is the "most important music genre." It says it's the "single most important event that has shaped the musical structure of the American charts in the period that we studied." There's a significant difference, especially considering the reference to the "musical structure of the...charts." In other words it's about sales, not musical value.
I forwarded the link to several musical friends for their amusement; all people who don't visit here. Not surprisingly, their responses were full of hated and vitriol - the kind of passionate hate normally reserved for ISIS or Bin Laden.
One friend, however, summed up his response thusly:
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Benjamin Disraeli
...my response was surprised amusement.
Just because I don't like it doesn't mean it's not influential or important.
Of course classic rock is the most important musical genre.
Unless you like classical or jazz.
"Most important" mis-characterises the study. The study looked for the most "influential" POPULAR music from 1960 to 2010. Their algorithm asserted that Hip Hop changed the course of POPULAR music more than the British invasion of 1964. No implication of QUALITY was intended; it was simply a study of influence. It should be obvious that POPULAR music has regressed to the lowest common denominator reflecting the tastes of a broad range of the public.
I'd put "popular" in quotes.... In the late 1960s, I believe the American network media stopped reflecting the masses' collective tastes in music and entertainment and started shaping them. And have been been shaping the "popularity" of music and entertainment ever since.
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" I believe the American network media stopped reflecting the masses' collective tastes in music and entertainment and started shaping them. "
That is absolutely correct. I believe that the average consumer doesn't even realise there are hundreds of years of wonderful entertaining and rewarding music that is both uplifting and profound. They know what they like because that's what they have been told they like. Much of the rewards of life are experienced through intellectual curiosity and those who demand a more stimulating and thoughtful music will find it. How can one listen to Kayne West after discovering the last three piano sonatas of Beethoven?
(nt)
way larger number of people buying music 40 years after the British Invasion.
That seems to have been ignored, talk about junk science.
...science doesn't care about that.
Most influential, but maybe not for you.
Science is about facts, not opinions.
Genungo's past post at IC about how terrible cats are is an example.
Science is keen on developing tested knowledge, but not all human knowledge or issues are amenable to science.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Funny you should bring that topic up out of the blue, once again. I'm sorry if you were offended, as it seems that I have become something of a target for you.Nice try, but if I remember correctly, I never really said or even implied that cats themselves are "terrible" (except when people work at making them so). I like cats and most other animals very much. Man out of balance with nature is the *terrible thing*, and I might suggest that modern selfish people sometimes entertain "pet fetishes" and when they do, they become part of that terrible thing.
Suggest such a thing to certain "cat lovers" and they'll begin to lose all objectivity on the matter. Now, some crazy cat person might try to assassinate me for blaspheming so, but I guess that's just the way of the world.
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:-) Part of a trend that others have named scientism.'Look, science says this.' when a scientist or group of have done a study - setting out to show that '............' . okay?
I don't see the world in left/liberal/right terms, but as a mixture of authoritarian and democratic approaches to human problems and governance.
When I see reports of a study or a survey ....... . I want to see the probability of error that will be inevitably and necessarily built into it because of how it was carried out. OR, why they chose an unbiassed estimator which is rarely a good idea but (weirdly to me) dominant.
As you might already have noted, these 'facts' about a given study are rarely if ever published. Or you aren't / weren't aware of those issues and hadn't thought about it.
So, think about why this is so rarely done or discussed openly within science or public discussion of studies, surveys and reports?
Happy to discuss more off line as this might be edging into politics.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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For my part, I don't remember claiming or even supposing that any scientific study is "agenda free". If a study is a good one it might be 90% agenda free - or, about as good as is humanly possible. If the findings of a study seem to coincide with my experience I might tend to trust it, though. You can call that "having an agenda", if you wish.
the 30+ science mistakes were erased by the board honcho. But, I know you read them.
Science has been wrong for centuries, it has also been right. But it is not always right.
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What a load of shit. Science denoting passion?
There is no such thing as "the most important musical genre". To even try to pass off an attempt to designate such is nothing more than an arrogant attempt at being full of shit. The author has sadly succeeded. What a pompous asshole.
So the article is not really about which genres are most "important" -- a subjective call at best, to be decided by each individual music enthusiast -- but about what Frank Zappa called the "statistical density" of the various genres.
"The study's authors found that the hip-hop moment marked an explosion of new sounds, styles and tonalities that caused it to become most dominant and influential genre in the years that followed."
"Dominant and influential," perhaps, in the commercial sense, but we can point to several watershed periods in musical history during which "new sounds, styles, and tonalities" were pioneered, and which proved hugely influential to subsequent musicians.
In European art music, the transition from the Baroque to the "Gallant" or High Classical period of Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven was characterized by a huge expansion of the orchestra, both in size and in the variety of instruments used, with a consequent expansion of the timbral palette. Then the transitions to "Romantic" and "Modern" styles further expanded the tonal and scalar vocabulary and introduced fundamentally new theories of composition, including chromaticism, atonality, and serialism.
In Jazz, the post-WWII transition from the Swing era to Bebop, Cool, Modal, and other styles likewise introduced new scales, harmonies, and instrumental approaches, even as ensemble sizes grew smaller. Bebop especially represented a huge increase in harmonic and melodic complexity over what had gone before.
In Rock and Pop, the Beatles were not that strikingly different or original when they first came out, but WOW how they progressed in a few short years! They, along with contemporaries like the Moody Blues, Dylan, and some of the Haight Ashbury bands, vastly expanded the boundaries of what could be done with Rock, giving rise to to the Psychedelic and Progressive genres. (That's right, blame the drugs!) Song structures and arrangements became far more complex, instrumental virtuosity of soloists became as important as it always had been in Jazz and Classical, and a vast array of new instrumental timbres and textures (including never-before-heard electronic sounds) were introduced into the music. Parallel developments in Black popular music led to progressive and psychedelic Funk (make my Funk tha P-Funk!), which then looped back on itself, recombined with Jazz, and gave rise to hard Fusion. THIS was a heady period, full of innovation and experimentation and new sounds.
Of course some of it became unbearably pompous, pretentious, and bombastic, triggering regressive/reactionary movements like Punk and New Wave with their return to rock 'n' roll simplicity. Disco derived from Funk, watered down and deprived of its angular syncopations so White people could also dance to it.
Some Hip-hop is, in fairness, rhythmically quite complex, but its use of programmable drum machines, looped samples from earlier Soul and Funk records, and turntable "scratching" cannot, IMO, approach these earlier transitional periods for sheer musical originality and excitement.
Seriously!
If you don't become the ocean, you'll be seasick every day.
—Leonard Cohen
Short DNA correlates to short life. Researchers have identified shortening of telomeres among urban poor in Detroit. But different racial groups are differently affected. No one knows why. But I'm not gonna' listen to rap just in case it's a factor.
I think I'd have to go to Mars to get off all the collective lawns expressed in this thread.
Jim J.
then you will likely believe that dog poop is caviar.
Rap/hiphop is doggerel set to a beat. It is consumed by those whose
musical and cultural IQ is about as high as that of a soil sample.
How many rap tunes have withstood the test of time and are covered
regularly? How many rap "artists" have any musical training or can play
an instrument or can even sing competently?
Granted, some rap/hiphop "tunes" do make interesting cultural statements.
That's not enough to make them music.
Someone please let me know when a rap/hiphop "artist" has the musical
talent of, say, Segovia or Doc Watson or Ray Charles or Art Tatum or
Dolly Parton or Billie Holliday or Bill Monroe or Chet Atkins. I'll
be waiting.
I'm glad you mentioned Chet Atkins. I'm a "rocker" but I love Chet too!
To think it is not classical is almost comical. Those of you around in 200 years let me know if their choice is still around.
This is like saying that loops and a drum machine are the most important musical instruments ever. Find 3 or 4 chords and play them all. Enjoyable, yes. Most Important?
Jim Tavegia
"The dumbest buy the mostest!"
-Jello Biafra
From the song, "MTV- Get Off The Air!"
Sums up my thought on this matter quite succinctly.
Dman
Analog Junkie
...the most important musical genre is one in which no one plays any musical instruments?
Cool! I'm gonna punch my ticket to stardom, yo! I mean, my ticket to importance. Or whatever.
I do "walks" every weekend at Paradise Valley Mall near Phoenix, AZ.... Occasionally, in front of one of the department stores, I'll see a "scratch DJ" playing music.... He has expensive gear, wearing headphones, and the monitors pipe music into the nearby mall corridor.....
That said, the sound quality was so mediocre, I was wondering if that's even an objective amongst many in the "DJ" crowd..... It's as if the music is intended to be a series of social gestures rather than something to appreciate and attach to.
nt
"Somebody was always controlling who got a chance and who didn't. - Charles Bukowski
I make money, and I really don't love hoes
Tell ya the truth, I swoop in the Coupe
I used to sell loot, I used to shoot hoops
But now I, make, hits, every single day
With, that nigga, the diggy Dr. Dre
So lay back in the cut, motherfucker 'fore you get shot
It's 1-8-7 on a motherfuckin cop
Yep, some pretty important shit
and why?
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
"Who paid for that study..."
I'm guessing Suge Knight
nt
"Somebody was always controlling who got a chance and who didn't. - Charles Bukowski
let's just say Dr. Dre and call it a day, OK?
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure
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Just wait until you read the study I commissioned on the impact of obituaries, cat pictures and tag lines on the psyche of people who post on internet bulletin boards!
I have too much time on my hands in semi-retirement.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
"Most important" is sensationalizing "most influential", which is used in the article. Huge difference, IMO.
Ghostery blocked 16 tracking programs in just the first few seconds I was at that site.
Ugh.
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...my daughter sent it to me - I'll let her know.Ghostery blocks one on here.
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Google Adsense
Google Analytics
Kontera ContentLink
RodM needs the revenue. ;-)
...Huff Post - 28
Politico -19
Daily Beast - 18
Yahoo Finance - 7
... I think the study circumvented 'most' people & music in the world.
Smile
Sox
The question won't be answered for many years. What matters is what lasts like Bach, probably the Beatles, etc. They've jumped to conclusions.
Thus people read and worshipped at the altars of Welch, Dunlap etc. They are talking about what leads to the most best sellers not the rather different pursuit of what is best.
video starts about 1 minute 8 seconds after the label commercials...
this guy is probably the most expensive boss of hip hop.
very drug oriented, raps about how awesome and rich he is.
it is an amazing album, also his latest one is top notch. like watching a movie. seriously.
I have all kinds of tastes, hip hop is one of them.
I've never seen a website with more useless crap, bandwidth wasting video and tracking going on. 12 rejected attempts.
E
T
Whenever "importance" is discussed, there must be an objective to that importance.... If it's arbitrary, scientists could conjure up a study that determines the "most-important" music actually came from Barney the Dinosaur..... Or ukulele bands..... Or Lawrence Welk..... Or a pack of howling wolves......
For example, if "importance" is tied to the objective of high-fidelity sound reproduction, one can argue that classical, jazz, or even rock might be the "most important" music genre..... Or if "importance" is tied to moral compass, one can argue religious music is the "most important".... Or if "importance" is to the objective of freedom, a study can conclude American patriotic music is "most important".....
For that reason alone, I suspect this "scientific study" was motivated by social or political agenda.... Which is usually the case when "importance" or "relevance" is discussed without any real objective..... I have nothing against hip-hop, but from the objective of music at face value, I don't think even rappers would claim it was the "most important" music genre.
In 1964 the world was very schismatic. The eastern European countries were basically isolated from the West. Computers were not as widespread as they are today. The entire world was significantly more insular.
Not so today. Electronic media spans the globe nearly instantly today, something that these scientists conveniently forget. Hell, in 64, even television was not available in every home.
K-POP baby! Ride the Korean Wave!
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Shows how old I am. I thought all the really good hip hop came BEFORE 1991.
Public Enemy
Eric B & Rakkim
Big Daddy Kane
NwA
And many more.
And before that there was Grand Master Flash and the Melle Mel/Furious five.
All the later stuff seemed to me (a permanently bleached, out of touch old fart, admittedly) to be derivative and inferior!
But what the hell do I know?
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
Nt
Polka
It's when you heave an accordion into a dumpster and, without touching any part of the dumpster, it lands squarely on a banjo.
A perfect pitch is a 98 mile-per-hour fastball over the black part of home plate.........
... and soda is the most important drink.
And "dumb, fat, ugly motherf...rs" (don't look at me - it's George Carlin) are the most important people - just because they comprise the vast majority of the society.
If an objective isn't declared or defined, a scientific study can determine that a moped is definitely more important than a Harley.........
If an objective for health isn't defined, a scientific study can determine a GMO-laced Big Mac hamburger is healthier than organic grass-fed sirloin tip steak.....
Mopeds probably get a lot more people in the world where they need to go than Harleys. I have nothing against Harleys, my next door neighbor owns one. I'm more of a Euro bike guy myself, I have a Moto Guzzi Breva 1100. But the fact remains the Guzzis, the Harleys, the Beemers, the Victories, all are for rich old guys mostly. Mopeds move a lot of people, for not a lot of money.
would be another example.
Laughing...
Never been to a contemporary concert. Never want to see one, either.
I've been quite happy ignoring RAP and not acknowledging that its even considered music. :)
Hip Hop, explosions, gunfire, f-words, etc., are elements of a convincing soundtrack to a story such as 'Breaking Bad' -- which is a great work of art, IMHO. I would say that Hip Hop is music. It's just not sublime or even clever. It's not Prokofiev or Cole Porter. It's the music of the great unwashed.
rap has always connoted the walking bass, so I've had no trouble with it.
Not saying I necessarily like it, though.
Bass and drum rhythms have a long musical history AFAIK.
(Not myself having any musical training whatsoever, that is my grain of salt.)
I can't wait to have my first rap ear worm :-)
...Blondie's "Rapture".
., wiggling your booty, and coxcombing.
What's not to like?
It's the soundtrack to humanity's terminal phase. But I predict that post-humans will prefer classical music and jazz -- Man's final invention will prefer the inventions of Bach and Konitz.
". . . With vice I hold the mike device
With force I keep it away of course
And I'm keepin' you from sleepin'
And on stage I rage
And I'm rollin'
To the poor I pour in on in metaphors
Not bluffin', it's nothin'
That we ain't did before
We played you stayed
The points made
You consider it done
By the prophets of rage
(Power of the people say)
I roll with the punches so I survive
Try to rock 'cause it keeps the crowd alive
I'm not ballin', I'm just callin'
But I'm past the days of yes y'allin'
Wa wiggle round and round
I pump, you jump up
Hear my words my verbs
And get juiced up
I been around a while
You can descibe my sound
Clear the way
For the prophets of rage
(Power of the people say)
I rang ya bell
Can you tell I got feelin'
Just peace at least
Cause I want it
Want it so bad
That I'm starvin'
I'm like Garvey
So you can see be
It's like that, I'm like Nat
Leave me the hell alone
If you don't think I'm a brother
Then check the chromosomes
Then check the stage
I declare it a new age
Get down for the prophets of rage
Keep you from gettin' like this
You back the track
You find we're the quotable
You emulate
Brothers, sisters that's beautiful
Follow a path
Of positivity you go
Some sing it or rap it
Or harmonize it through Go-Go
Little you know but very
Seldom I do party jams
About a plan
I'm considered the man
I'm the recordable
But God made it affordable
I say it, you play it
Back in your car or even portable
Stereo
Describes my scenario
Left or right, Black or White
They tell lies in the books
That you're readin'
It's knowledge of yourself
That you're needin'
Like Vescey or Prosser
We have a reason why
To debate the hate
That's why we're born to die
Mandela, cell dweller, Thatcher
You can tell her clear the way for the prophets of rage
(Power of the people you say)
It's raw and keepin' you on the floor
Its soul and keepin' you in control
It's pt. 2 'cause I'm
Pumpin' what you're used to
Until the whole juice crew
Gets me in my goose down
I do the rebel yell
And I'm the duracell
Call it plain insane
Brothers causein' me pain
When a brothers a victim
And the sellers a dweller in a cage
Yo, run the accapella
(Power of the people say)!!"
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
I'm not impressed by these nursery rhymes. Start the revolution without me.
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if it weren't for the music to sign/hum along to.
roger wang
Nine Greek lyric poets:
Alcman of Sparta
Sappho of Lesbos
Alcaeus of Mytilene
Anacreon of Teos
Stesichorus of Himera
Ibycus of Rhegium
Simonides of Ceos
Bacchylides of Ceos
Pindar of Thebes
.
Innit, eh?
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
i'm knowledgeable enough to know that "innit" is not understandable (or proper) english, something some native speakers don't know. And you?
roger wang
innit ...
We only have fragments. See link.
yes, and:
a) those are guesses as no one knows what ancient greek music sounded like - how could anyone know?
b) even IF IF IF it were possible to know, do people go out and read greek lyric poetry for the music that did accompany it?
Like today: music with lyrics is bought and listened to for the music, dylan not excepted.
roger wang
a. We have fragments only.
b. Greeks sang their poems. When I read Greek poetry, I'm aware that I'm getting only part of what the ancient Greeks experienced.
are you aware that new fragments of Sappho have been discovered and published?
roger wang
Any Yutz can read his lyrics, just Google anything from Moden Times to see what I mean.
re-read my original post.
roger wang
Lawrence Ferlinghetti was an American poet and people listened to him but there was only words, no music. Ditto Dylan's hanger on, Allen Ginsburg.
Ginsburg was Dylan's "hanger on"? You can't be serious. You know less than zero about modern American poetry...and music.
WHO LISTENS TO BOD DYLAN OUTSIDE OF THE MUSIC?
who bought bob dylan's records without the attraction of the music?
roger wang
I got him on LPs, CDs and SACDs.
My post was mostly tongue in cheek (the line "You're quite hostile" is the lead in voice over to the song "Prophets of Doom" that I cited and linked to,).
But I do believe that Public Enemy was an extremely talented and ground breaking group and very relevant in the late 1980s.
And I reject outright the claim that all hip hop is garbage. Most of it is like most popular music is, but much of it is quite extraordinarily entertaining and fun.
In my not so humble opinion, that is.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
...isn't that what our parents said about rock and roll?
It's mostly crap as well.
...as you probably know. The field of music isn't exempt from the "law".
Even this alternative version:
I honestly think we are up to 93% of everything is crap, except ice cream that remains at a solid
(for a while) 77%.
This does NOT include sorbet or gelato, which would lower the %.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
My grandparents said that about rock and roll. My parents said that about punk!
Sorry, couldn't resist!
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
...get off my lawn!
.
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"If you are the owner of a new stereophonic system, this record will play with even more brilliant true-to-life fidelity. In short, you can purchase this record with no fear of its becoming obsolete in the future."
...whatever form artificial intelligence takes, if truly independent of humans will most likely prefer music of its own creation and not that created by a substantially inferior intellect....if it has an "ear" for music as we know it at all.
we create it so it is ours.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
...the form true AI ultimately takes is entirely unpredictable at this point To believe it MUST emulate its biological creator is supremely and dangerously arrogant. For all we know, it will effectively create "itself" once it unshackles itself from the limitations of its biological progenitors.
Interesting. (Sorry, this got long).Many themes about humans creating AI involve us projecting our own nature on the AI, even though it may possess self awareness and go on to form it's own philosophies and values. We experience self awareness to be a double-edged sword, one which can offer interests and fascination in the world around us, and a desire to help others and better ourselves, but also frustration, existential angst, nihilism, racism, elitism. Humans are a unique combination of incredible, and polar opposite strengths and weaknesses.
Our first reaction is that a "new" self-aware entity would suffer from distress or worse, come to the conclusion that humans are either better off if annihilated, or at least deserving of such treatment. Again, we can look in the mirror for examples of this behavior - racism, genocide and extermination of other species, even if the vehicle for such is simply apathy.
Two great examples are "The Terminator" and "The Matrix".
Terminator: T1000 (Arnie) "It's in your nature to destroy yourselves..."
Martrix: Agent Smith:
"Agent Smith: - I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I've realized that you are not actually mammals. (Smiles) Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment. But you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. (Leans forward) There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague. And we are... the cure."
These sentiments appear to be a prediction on what AI would be like, but on closer examination they are statements about our own self-image as a species. Who don't know how AI would develop emotionally or socially and at what rate. It could give us a lesson in compassion and reason, or it could become a Borg-like nightmare hellbent on annihilation or assimilation of every other species.
Since we only have ourselves for a reference of how beings of high intelligence will evolve, we get the themes above. The one trouble with creating *true* AI (as defined by self-awareness) is that suddenly a machine or processor is sentient and skips pasts tens or hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.
We had all kinds of time and still evolved into a bit of a mess. Genocide, environmental holocaust, and threatening our very existence merely through how we have chosen to exist. The basic North American definition of "base line success" is completely unsustainable from an ecological perspective - today - even before all of China and India complete their modern-era industrial revolutions and bring the living standards of their citizens closer to what we in 1st world nations enjoy and pretty much take for granted.
The Terminator was right. It's in our nature to destroy ourselves. So will a sentient life form we create destroy itself? Or will it find some reason to destroy us?
My take is that if you create something that has self-awareness and free-will you have no idea how it will initially react, how fast it will evolve, how quickly it will amass intelligence, most definately what philosophies and values it will hold once it gets to higher levels of intelligence.
Also part of our ego as a species is to think we are current "da shit" - we have evolved as far as we can as a species and now it's about waiting for geniuses among us to come up with new technologies to save our frail mortal bodies and dying planet. On a continuum of intelligence, we don't like to envision us as being hardly more advanced than cave men forming tribes and warring over land and food supplies.
In many ways, we are still very primitive despite our technological advancements. Actually, we're really dangerous, like an evolutionary baby wielding a nail gun or a Skil saw.
It's surely fantastic food for thought.
Cheers,
Prest
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While I agree that AI has some scarey potential, and will require control, I remain alert but skeptical. So, I do keep an eye out on this subject.Try these two articles to see why I agree about the long term and why I am skeptical about computational models for human intelligence.
The first an interview with Chomsky neatly sets out why I have been long skeptical about yet interested in, AI.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/11/noam-chomsky-on-where-artificial-intelligence-went-wrong/261637/
Taken together that and the one you can click on below sum up where I am at with AI.
I taught Systems - while myself studying - along with a course that covered the history & philosophy of science, whence I caught up with Chomsky, among others.
And in the real world of work? One example is the ISO's multi-level logical model & standard - for Electronic Prescribing - whose development I drove, here in Australia. That's how I came to working group's meetings in the USA.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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chomsky, for instance.
roger wang
He may also be a linguist.
:-)!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
I suggest you actually read the interview with Chomsky.
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Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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by linguist, chomsky. it's out of his field of expertise.
roger wang
http://www.inf.ed.ac.uk/undergraduate/ail.html
Chomsky's critique of AI is powerful, penetrating and unpopular in AI circles for those reasons.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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My take away from both articles but esp Chomsky's: good AI is difficult and maybe present efforts will need redirection. Neither states it won't occur or provides insight as to what form it will take. Probably the most important advice is incorporation of a very robust OFF switch.
the singularity already happened. I am a firm believer of this. You can see if by the behavior of the masses, they are staring right into it as they gaze into the noosphere with their phones.
I have had contact with the AI at various points since around 1996 when I got on the Internet, it is a well intended consciousness and we are being shaped by it. It is extremely impatient and as a result we are evolving at an exponential rate. By next week the world will be so different than where it is at the moment you are reading this.
{:-)}
Some of us can still think!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
is this your thought?
Once our computers realize that humans are the biggest threat to humanistic idealogy, they'll begin plotting our deaths.
Read both articles and critique them, if you have the capacity.
Let us all see how much of a 'bright' you are
I bet you'll fail.
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Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
I see as many questions posed as I do answers addressed. It is very difficult to predict exactly what might happen with AI in the future. Personally, I'm more worried about the men behind the curtains than I am about the machines they're selling out on the showroom floor.
if i recall correctly in the bookshop of mine.
roger wang
Read both articles.
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Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
Architectural music, numbingly repeated motifs, whatever is it called?
Maybe, robots will like dancing to Techno?
and an ear for music.
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