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Below are some entries from Facebook of people giving audio advice; I decided to keep my opinion to myself...LOL
In-home stereo question: What's a decent system we can plug an iPhone into and get good base and some volume? My 25 year old antique speakers (size of a barn) were 150 watts. We want to be able to thump when desired. But not looking to break the bank?
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My little Bose dock thunders.
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We're really happy with our polk audio dock. Ted did the purchasing so he'll have to advise on pricing.
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Sonos incredible sound
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Sonos | Wireless HiFi
Sonos is no ordinary streaming speakers solution — it's a fully integrated wireless HiFi system.
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Rocco Capra I second the sonos.
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Best Buy and grab there Yamaha small amp and complete system. Comes with a nice little sub, 5 small surround speakers and amp with jack for iphone. Or small Bose sounds good as well
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Listening to boomin' bass on this: ($199) http://www.bose.com/controller...
Bose SoundLink® Mini BLUETOOTH® Speaker | Bose
Explore the convenience of the Bose SoundLink Mini...
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Only Bose. Buy quality - cry once. Especially if you plan on thumping occasionally.
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Teri nailed it! I used a little Bose iPod dock for boot camp. Fills the entire gym with deep sound and no distortion.
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For the price, you're not going to do better than the Bose Mini Soundlink. I've have a JBL as well as two Bose Sounddocks. The Sounddocks are better tan the Mini Soundlink, but not by a ton. The Mini is much cheaper, too,
Bose for sure!
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We have 2 Bose and they sure sound good too!
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I haven't checked out sonos but I love Bose. I know they can be pricey but they're worth every penny.
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So, Bose Portable Sound Dock?
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Bose is so high quality that it can make Nickelback sound good. Ok, it's not that good, but you get the point.
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amazing that much can come from something so small. we'll be losing a piece of furniture
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I travel with the Bose sound link mini that Mike posted the link for. Very pleased with the quality .
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First let me say that I guess I have been extremely lucky. I have had about four acquaintances who were genuine audiophiles, people with whom one could spend a happy couple of hours on the occasional weekend afternoon listening to music and discussing equipment.
However most of my acquaintances exhibit behavior that is more common in which any mention of audio equipment produces immediately glazed eyes, a stare focused somewhere over your shoulder and complete mental paralysis until they change the subject--immediately.
I have learned that even if your system is commented upon, "Man! Those are some big honking' speakers!", or a question is asked, "What are those?", it is best to reply with as close to a monosyllabic reply as is possible. That glazed look and over-the-shoulder focus is just waiting to emerge.
Be brief!
George
I have been an audiophile since ca. 1965 and, at one point in my "career", around 1973-4, I succumbed to the Stereo Review review of the Bose Model 901s and the endless advertising hype about Bose: "Bring home a Legend" was the ad slogan at that time. I bought a pair for which I traded in my little B&O S-60s.
Within a few days of purchasing the 901s, I realized I had made a mistake. This realization came when listening to a lieder album featuring Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau. This single singer's voice was "sprayed" over the entire real wall of my listening room, making his voice sound billboard-sized and reverberant as though he were in an echo chamber. I traded in the 901s as soon as I was able and never looked back.
Nowadays, when I tell friends that I am an "avid audiophile", they frequently ask whether I have Bose equipment, as though that will make me think they are in-the-know. Apparently, the hype still works, and, for many listeners, the Bose sound, from whatever components they have heard, suits them just fine. I don't agree with their choices, but, hey, it's their money. I just think it is a shame that, from my perspective, they don't know any better.
George
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When audio stores were just that and Bose was the hot topic and flavor of the month I had customers with no previous desire to upgrade from their VM consoles who came in because of the Bose ads. Where other ads seemed to target persons who had some knowledge of audio, Bose targeted the majority of the world.
While other bash Bose, I praise Amar. His marketing did as much, maybe more in giving us some of the best years of audio. He did more than any other person in getting persons to learn about quality sound. They first bought into his marketing and bought 901s and then bought good speakers.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
We wouldn't even be on the MAP if not for Bose marketing.
You would not happen to be "The Most Interesting Man in the World" now would you?
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I remember seeing their ads in Scientific American when I use to subscribe. Usually, there was a Bose ad and an ad for some watch that does terrific things for $250.00. Of course, watch aficionados KNOW what to buy. The rest, even scientists, don't ;-)
"Apparently, the hype still works, and, for many (verbiage deleted) suits them just fine. I don't agree with their choices, but, hey, it's their (verbiage deleted). I just think it is a shame that, from my perspective, they don't know any better."
The verbiage was deleted to state a point.... There are a LOT of people who get duped by the media on a variety of things..... From life to music to religion to nutrition to politics..... Bose is just one of many beneficiaries of the network media machine.
".......they frequently ask whether I have Bose equipment, as though that will make me think they are in-the-know."
I've encountered that.... I just say, "There are other products I like better." ...........
Although I will say I have also encountered quite a few non-audiophiles who think Bose is crap..... Recently, someone queried by "audiophiledom" by asking about Bose..... Waiting to pounce on me if I happened to use the company's products.
Nice post. Here's where I disagree with you -
You say - "I just think it is a shame that, from my perspective, they don't know any better."
From my POV I'm happy that they even cared that much and I know some percentage of them, like you did, will move on to better equipment.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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When I listen, all ancillary functions cease.
When I perform daily duties, listening ceases.
I don't need a stereo in the bathroom.
Bose is never an option.
http://mindseyemusic.blogspot.com/
"When I perform daily duties, listening ceases."
I see people walking in public and/or performing tasks with a headset on.... I could never do that.... I cannot even relate to it.
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"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
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I have friends who think I'm nuts for still playing records. They think I'm nuts for wearing mechanical wrist watches.This coming from a guy who smokes a $450 pipe, another guy who wears custom made $5K suits and another guy who hasn't found an acceptable olive oil for under $150.
We all rationalize whats important to us.
Dean.
reelsmith's axiom: Its going to be used equipment when I sell it, so it may as well be used equipment when I buy it.
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Man I wasted my comment and pretty picture on George S. Roland!
We have some serious first world choices to stress over don't we? ;-)
And this is why I didn't comment on the thread...let's not even talk about wine, persian rugs, cars, racing bicycles, boats, and the like.
As long as the people are happy with their choices, life is good. They don't need to make the choices I would have.(And for the record, I do like some of the research into active noise cancellation by Bose. They were instrumental in trying to replicate Cold Fusion (and through careful controls were able to show it didn't happen), and into electromagnetic suspensions. I own a pair of Bose 901's in a back room - perfect for replicating the size and scope of stadium rock. But it is also from my youth, and this Midwestern boy needs Klispch, Bose playing Classic Rock and a big engined loud Musclecar once in awhile. I find Bose's recent sub/sat work to be a little muddy/boomy and indistinct - though their portable speakers aren't too bad when you are on the road and don't want to listen to headphones. They aren't hi fi but their smaller noisecancellers are a godsend on a long trip over the Pacific in keeping your sanity due to the constant thrum/drone of the plane
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As audiophiles, we take what's obsolete, make it beautiful, and keep it forever.
Hey! I have a blog now: http://mancave-stereo.blogspot.com or "like" us at https://www.facebook.com/mancave.stereo
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My son bought a pair of the $200 noise canceling earbuds. This kid is more than extremely careful with his stuff. He even totally cleans his fountain pen that is not in use that day, something users will tell you only needs to be if you are not using it for some extended period of time. The earbuds lasted only a couple of months before the cords let go. He now is fighting with the Canadian distributor to get them repaired under warranty. He did not discuss the decision to buy them with me, I only found out when I noticed he was using some extremely ancient phones I recognized. I did not get in his face but helped him understand there is perceived quality and there is real quality. He now is looking at Koss because of their undisputed best in industry lifetime warranty. Also, companies such as Grado and Klipsch.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
To me, THAT is the true way to start them on a road of actually UNDERSTANDING why we buy what we buy and do what we do in this weird bubble we call "being an audiophile".
I tried discussing gear with some music lovers at when I started this new job (After all, they're engineers! They SHOULD understand, because they know electronics and electricity)- Nada. Blank stares. "Bose-I-fied" looks of bewilderment...
I then began discussing the music they like and WHY they like it. Thankfully for me, most like jazz and classical, with only one or two that are into modern pop- something I know nothing about or listen to. It was like a door was opened. Seems the more someone has something in common with you, the easier it is to introduce these rather abstract concepts we call being an audiophile. They tend to be more open to the idea that THEIR music CAN sound better...
Just my 2 cents... YMMV
Cheers,
Dman
Analog Junkie
I never overtly try to influence persons as to musical tastes but usually they will end up for many the first time going to listen at a performance using totally acoustic instruments and no electronics involved. This usually means classical or sometimes jazz. From this and academic discussions about an audio system a number convert. My latest is now actively searching for older classical record collections. He even eyeballs my little collection. He bought Empire 598 III and Thorens TD125 so, he is set for turntables. I found out not long ago my son's portable devices has almost exclusively classical music.
Makes me proud of my Grasshoppers.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
The common thread, the thing that sweeps away all the BS that people yell at each other about is the music.
For a couple of years, when my best friends lived in the area I do, we regularly got together and spun vinyl, listened to CD/SACD's, lifted a couple of glasses and had a good time.
We also sometimes went to see people playing at local watering holes and restaurants.
They never understood my stereo but we all were very happy to listen to music at my place, their place, or somewhere else.
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As audiophiles, we take what's obsolete, make it beautiful, and keep it forever.
Hey! I have a blog now: http://mancave-stereo.blogspot.com or "like" us at https://www.facebook.com/mancave.stereo
my sister told me she wants to buy a Bose system and I gave her a few mild suggestions that she could do better.
I will still keep my mouth shut when she gets it because her happiness is what matters.
It is just funny to see this post after she was just talking about Bose.
The ads on TV must really work.
I am looking forward to getting a computer speaker set from Focal (XS 2.1) I expect it to be pretty nice and I will play it for her the next time she visits...
I remember going into a Bose shop and for $3000-$4000 they will sell you some tiny boxes with a GUI that treats users as outright dummies. Was it one of those?
My two sisters, one brother in-law and 3 Nephews stood around this wireless Bose Speaker, playing from an iPhone, like it was a miracle...
"See Mark, you do not need those big ugly speakers, (Maggies), and all that stuff for good sound" Sister number 1 says...
My response..."that sounds really good...like a Mosquito with a bullhorn"
They don't care...they never will care...I am OK with that...not there thing...
SS, my friend, you are twisted soul...in a good way...
Thanks
Mark
......I'd want those bitchin' Bose thumpers to rattle my kidneys. Since my liver is shot they're all I have left.If they can make Nickleback sound good what's next? Eva Cassidy, Holly Cole, maybe even Jane Monheit and Cecil Salvant will sound good Bosed!
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and it ROCKS compared to the Bose miniLink.
Of course, it sounds great while you are paying attention to something else you are doing. Well, maybe just for some light-weight vocal soundtracks. Or, I should have just said: Like, Like. Gee, I HATE that word.
sonos is pretty good
I use the Sonos connect, it is really nice system, and supports a hell of a lot of apps ;)
I've learned these lessons the hard way mostly including nice guys finish last which is true.......but I still try anyway.
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Reality check: Most people only want music as an accompaniment to other activities such as reading, socializing, or knitting.
If the only reason a person wants audio equipment is to have Michael Bublé bubléing in the background as she chats with her girlfriends, then Sonos' products are more than adequate.
Bullet point: Far fewer people really care about music than most audiophiles assume.
Most people really don't care about music; they just like the pretty noises it makes.
Bright Shiny Object! Bright Shiny Object! Pretty Polly!
JM
We're BIG FANS of Sonos. As a streamer.
We listen while we're cooking, or sleeping, or relaxing. The recent addition of Murfie, TIDAL and Deezer Elite allows the sound quality to approach CD level digital when we put it through the main system.
For enjoying a performance or two with less distraction, we spin vinyl or throw on a SACD. Haven't been doing the Hi Rez digital recently.
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As audiophiles, we take what's obsolete, make it beautiful, and keep it forever.
Hey! I have a blog now: http://mancave-stereo.blogspot.com or "like" us at https://www.facebook.com/mancave.stereo
when one is reading, working, taking a shower, or cleaning around the house, etc. what does that make one?
Is it a matter of what one listens to, what one is doing while they listen, one's equipment, what criteria?
And what is music, if it is does not consist of sounds that one likes, unless one is a Calvinist or a Lutheran.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
... as I was unclogging the toilet.Somehow worked in that context.
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As audiophiles, we take what's obsolete, make it beautiful, and keep it forever.
Hey! I have a blog now: http://mancave-stereo.blogspot.com or "like" us at https://www.facebook.com/mancave.stereo
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We are all unique. Every last one of us. We are united in our uniqueness.
OK, I'll stop now.
Responses:
1. My cleaning music is Julie London, and an iMac's internal speakers are OK for that. When I am sitting down to listen to a string quartet, I want very good sound. Horses for courses.
2. The decisive criterion as far as I am concerned is (the inquiry being, is Person X an appropriate prospect for fine audio, and therefore someone the industry should be willing to spend money to locate and educate and persuade) is:
"Is music for its own sake sufficiently important to this person that he or she is willing to give up or cut back on something else in their lives in order to pay for better audio equipment, even if it is only decent headphones under $300?"
Almost anyone with an automobile can afford some good audio equipment by the simple expedient of keeping the car longer and trading cars in for new less frequently. But most people would rather be seen in a newer car rather than one with issues, than have better stereos, because for their purposes Sonos is good enough and very short money.
3. Music on one level consists of sounds one likes, but on the deeper level it conveys meaning--whether the meaning is Bach's reconciling God's ways to man, Mozart's reveling in sensuous melodic beauty, or Beethoven's Heaven-Storming Rage®. The sound is a matter of perception acting upon nerve impulses, but the meaning depends upon cognition and acculturation.
ATB,
JM
Why do you say that? I find that most audiophiles understand that very few folks indeed care about reproducing the live unamplified event - or have any notion of what that would actually be.
Most people really don't care about music; they just like the pretty noises it makes.
Exactly! Compressed iTunes rules, right?
I think nearly everyone likes music.People fill their lives with it (wallpaper) but also watch Idol and The Voice passionately - they sing on YouTube to each other. They can enjoy the music through the proverbial "clock radio" and don't need to spend the gobs of money to be satisfied.
WE are the odd ducks in this game, we tilt at windmills to try to produce a perfect sound. Nearly everyone who hears it is amazed, but their wallet is shut because they get enough satisfaction the way they do it today.
We can claim that we like music better than the other guys, but there is a little too much gear-talk, and it is far too male dominated for me to think it is just that.
I know for me, there is nothing like weaving the illusion of a live performance, but if my means were different and I couldn't justify it, I would still enjoy music on the equivalent of a clock radio if I had to.
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As audiophiles, we take what's obsolete, make it beautiful, and keep it forever.
Hey! I have a blog now: http://mancave-stereo.blogspot.com or "like" us at https://www.facebook.com/mancave.stereo
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What a great way to put it.
We are trying to create an imagined perfect event from physical evidence that is likely unrepresentative of anything near what we are imagining and is far from perfect and certainly not real.
"The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat" - Confucius
I think John's statement is accurate for recent time, but I thought a far greater percentage of people were into music (not necessarily audio) prior to the digital age.
I mean, prior to 1980, I often had conversations about how symphony orchestras, pianists, or violinists differ and why I preferred certain ones while others explained preferences of different ones.... (Some of these discussion became heated at times.) But over the past ten years, aside from occasional postings on Music Asylum, I've haven't discussed this at all. The subject matter just doesn't interest people anymore.
I think John's statement is accurate for recent time
The question is not that "fewer people care about music", but what we (as audiophiles) perceive reality to be.
As for me, I fully understand that precious few care about music today.
Next!
(Note the "album" of 78 rpms.)
I chat with industry folks all the time, and perhaps it is just that the only industry person I chat with regularly I think of as "young" is Stephen Mejias.
I think lots of industry people are stuck in the past--their college years or early career years--when listening to music was a shared experience and the variety of music was much wider than today, and so music was more important to more people than it is today. And I am not focusing on classical. Just look at the list of artists who released albums the same month Joni Mitchell released Court and Spark:
Elvis Presley, Graham Nash, Hot Tuna, Grace Slick, Rod Stewart / Faces, Bobby Womack, Bob Dylan, Blue Magic, Linda Ronstadt, Foghat, Gram Parsons, Carly Simon, Brian Eno, Harmonia, The Love Unlimited Orchestra, Leo Sayer, Gordon Lightfoot, Barbra Streisand... .
Whereas with a total lack of modesty I declare that when most people listen to the absurdly popular One Republic (671,000,000 YT hits??????? For ONE video?) or Mumford and Sons or Arcade Fire, neither the content nor the sound-world are likely to lead to a desire to hear deeper into the soundstage. Daft Punk, obviously some people think so.
So we have an industry (fine audio) run by baffled befuddled guys like me, who are fully qualified to join AARP, who still believe deep down that if we just run the right ads in The New Yorker and Architectural Digest, suddenly component audio will again become a near-indispensible part of the vision as to what constitutes the good life or the life well lived, just like great books (or even The Great Books) and fine art.
Society and technology has changed, and the industry has to embrace the suck.
Just because a guy owns a Rolex does not mean that you can sell him an expensive stereo, because Sonos really is good enough to meet his needs.
ATB,
John
"Society and technology has changed, and the industry has to embrace the suck. "You should add a "get off of my lawn you young whipper snappers" for effect! ;-)
The business of music has changed (no one churns out albums when you don't make money on them anymore). The talent hasn't stopped, and there are a lot of really good artists these days.
You mention "Daft Punk" as being good. They are good. Mumford and Son's ... they are OK ...
But really? Those are the ones that have chosen to throw us old guys a bone with well produced albums and a few files.
If you think you like Mumford and Sons ... try The Decemberists & The Civil Wars. I actually think they are better, and have a little more of the fire the defines good music. Most have some sort of access to their work (MP3, 24/44.1 or Vinyl), but like the days of our youth, the sound quality isn't job #1, but boy does it not matter when they get going.
But for other good bands: Fall Out Boy, Maroon 5, Grouplove, Meghan Trainor, The Ting Tings, Blur, Coldplay, Florence and the Machine, ... and I could go on.
A added a link of a bunch of new bands who did their first real work last year. Some is good, some won't make it (like they always do). But the fact you don't see new bands is that perhaps you haven't sought them out?
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As audiophiles, we take what's obsolete, make it beautiful, and keep it forever.
Hey! I have a blog now: http://mancave-stereo.blogspot.com or "like" us at https://www.facebook.com/mancave.stereo
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"a desire to hear deeper into the soundstage."
Do you attempt to do that when you attend concerts or do you just sit back and enjoy the music?
I have never heard a stereo reproduce what it sounded like to hear Sir Colin Davis conduct Gerontius and I was sitting in the third row. Not just the dynamics and bass but also the nearly 50-foot width and depth (depth counting pipe organ chambers) of the sound source.
And yes, when the motif that is played by the viola comes up, one does hear a specific image within the sound stage.
String quartets from mid-hall, not so much. More like blended mono.
Assuming that competent engineers and a wise producer made the recording, if there is informational content in a recording of a great performance I want to hear more of it.
jm
"I have never heard a stereo reproduce what it sounded like to hear Sir Colin Davis conduct Gerontius and I was sitting in the third row. Not just the dynamics and bass but also the nearly 50-foot width and depth (depth counting pipe organ chambers) of the sound source."
And I assume you've heard some cost-no-object systems. Is it safe to conclude that audio gear will never bring us the realism of a live concert, regardless of how much money one invests? Or are you of the mind that one should "never say never" regarding this matter? Is there any technology on the horizon that makes you sanguine or do the laws of physics prevent you from duplicating your third row experience in your home?
The problem with homes is that in general the rooms are too small and one rarely has a situation where the ceiling is so high that the ear registers all the horizontal room reflections (for spatial localization) before the ceiling reflections interfere. That obviously is an issue with the room at The University of the South that now has Alexandria XLFs.
And the normal home has about 30 dB of background noise (refrigerator compressors, traffic noise, airplanes) anyway.
Believe it or not Bose was doing some research a few years back about "virtual reality" testing of room acoustics but IIRC to hear the effect your head had to be clamped in one place in a device that could remind one of something from an eye exam and the speakers were very close--as close as computer speakers.
I have NOT heard the technology JA did at CES that used ear-canal measurements to adjust the speakers' sound to the room's quirks. SP-BACCH?
All that said, at the end of the day the object of the game is first to fool the brain and then to win over the heart. Exhibit 1 being a bootleg recording of The Eric Whitacre Singers that is up on YT. The young lady thought she was taking a photograph but she started taking a movie, and so when she put the iPad back in her bag, its lens was blocked but the microphones heard enough.
I had a friend over and I played some DSD files for him and then some hi-res PCM and then some Red Book and just as a gas I played the YouTube off the internet, and when it was over, he looked at me and said that of everything I had played, the crappy YouTube of a bootleg made with the mics in a handbag had had the biggest impact on him.
So, at the end, the equipment is always a tool, and the slenderest knowledge of divine things trumps certainty about mundane things.
ATB,
JM
I'll put this right out there:
Half of the battle is in your head. If you are in the right mood, then your enjoyment, even on "crummy" gear with "crummy" sonics can be transcendent.
I think we spend time fussing about the sound, and the layout of the room, and everything just-so to stack the deck to more reliably get one of those transcendent experiences. But sometimes the stuff isn't needed and you get there in spite of it all.
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As audiophiles, we take what's obsolete, make it beautiful, and keep it forever.
Hey! I have a blog now: http://mancave-stereo.blogspot.com or "like" us at https://www.facebook.com/mancave.stereo
Thanks, John. Always a pleasure.
I think lots of industry people are stuck in the past--their college years or early career years--when listening to music was a shared experience and the variety of music was much wider than today...
Since I'm nearing 60, I can relate to that era and sentiment but am not oblivious to the changing winds in way music is delivered and thought of today. As a teenager, I used to visit and hang out at the many audio stores in the Atlanta area. It was through that experience that I met quite a few influential folks and found valuable mentors. Audio stores today? Wazzat? Even those who are passionate about the musical experience don't have a convenient way to learn the way we did and I suspect quite a few have never been exposed to fine audio.
On the other hand, I don't think all of the change is necessarily bad either. Choice and ease of access are improved to levels I couldn't have imagined in the 70s. You mean I could hear a song anywhere, have my phone "listen" and identify it and within minutes own a copy myself? How cool is that?
So we have an industry (fine audio) run by baffled befuddled guys like me, who are fully qualified to join AARP...
Hey, I represent that last remark!
...if we just run the right ads in The New Yorker and Architectural Digest, suddenly component audio will again become a near-indispensible part of the vision as to what constitutes the good life or the life well lived, just like great books (or even The Great Books) and fine art.
I guess the first thing we need to do as members of AA is to recognize that our passion is not shared by all. Hi, my name is E-Stat and I'm a musicaholic. I must get a daily fix or else I'm grumpy and depressed.
I don't have any close friends (other than audio reviewers) or family members who really enjoy sitting down and listening to music. My wife does on occasion along with playing her piano, but she prefers reading and is the videophile in our household. She always has the DVR crawlers busy at work storing away content for her later viewing pleasure. It seems the drive is always 60-70% full. :)
It's no different from popular music..... There are resources to find something significantly better than the status quo.
No need to bring it up either.... Those who want it will find it. Those who don't wouldn't care less.
Much better exists than the status quo.
OTOH today my son laod claim to my Klipsch Heresy IIs with rebuilt crossover's and Crites tweeter titanium diaphragms and is leaning towards laying claim to the Sony STR6120. He is 27 and also has discovered how good a turntable sounds; only months after I sold 2 of my 3 tables. So, he will have to wait for mine.
Don Brian Levy, J.D.
Toronto ON Canada
And an equally pathetic moron to think he was saving them from something.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
if they are enjoying themselves and having a good time, heaven forbid "audiophiles"
should get involved and ruin it for them!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Like the other guy said.
My experience as a child with music was listening to operas on my mother's lap as she knitted in front of an old 1040s Black Walnut console system.
Observe, before you think. Think before you open your yap. Act on the basis of experience.
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