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The subject matter drifted to the comeback of vinyl audio playback.... The guests on the show claimed that college students are once again running turntables in their dorm rooms.......
And the reason for the comeback? "It sounds better." .... These were not exactly audiophiles on that show.
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This new existential angst of coming up with the next big fashion statement or music genre to be "hip" - it's just too much pressure for kids these days. So, they created this "collage of coolness" taking snippets of historical things that, although not necessarily cool in their day, are cool as all hell now. Like that vintage 1-speed bike rebuild. And $500 leather saddle bags.Pioneer beards. Thick round retro glasses. Lenses not required. Music: has to be indie and recommended on Pitchfork. After 48 hours it's not cool anymore. Clothes: Cute combination of "I'm homeless" with a few "You can't afford this" accessories to ensure you are aware they come from prosperous families.
And that's just the wrapping of the hipster culture. The tip of the hipster iceberg. There's a long list of social causes, liberal arts courses, language, expressions, coffee shop etiquette... even self-imposed anorexic emaciation.
It's a bloody full time job being a hipster and that's a good thing, since REAL hipsters don't have REAL jobs anyways. They are all *inspiring* to be something in the music, art or entertainment industries. Well, the REAL ORIGINAL hipsters don't have conventional jobs anyways. Most people identifying as hipsters these days are not from the correct cities, districts, families, schools and (ahem) cultures to be a hipster anyways. You can't have hipsters born in middle-America prairie towns to American Gothic's 'Martha and Joe. It just doesn't work that way.
You can't put on silly tight jeans, strange glasses and grow a beard, crack a can of Pabst and head downtown on your grand dad's bike and "be" a hipster. And, IRONICALLY, the harder you try to BE a hipster the more you are NOT a hipster at all, despite being ironic in your failed attempt.
At being a hipster.
Cheers,
Presto
Edits: 02/24/15 02/24/15
even IF you didn't tweet it or use whateverthelatesthipestsocialmediablastisthisverymoment to communicate it.
Here in Hipsville the definitions of hip change more rapidly than you can say tell me, tell me if you think you know.
Ya know?
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
...to define hipsters. Hipsters themselves are quick to say that you can't define hipsters, that they're not hipsters and that you're doing something else very wrong, because Hipsters like to converse about how other people are lame and/or doing things wrong. It's just what cool kids do. They even lambast each other, like at a small indie concert for instance:"Isn't this a great concert?"
"Meh, it's okay."
"What's wrong?"
"I was a *real* fan, like, before they were totally mainstream."To admit to being part of a subculture, they are then just a subset of ALL THE OTHER YOUNG ADULTS trying to be a member of a social group with specific attributes, thus not making them in any way special. All the OTHER kids are flocking to groups, but these kids are most certainly NOT. Because that would not be cool. At all. To be in a group. So, the refuse to be labelled, although they follow all of the same social conventions, fashion sensibilities, and mannerisms that are specific to a group culture, despite them denying this affiliation vehemently. Perhaps they feel they are non-members of all groups, because to do so would be lame.
So, they're a group of people who refuse to be labelled as being in a group - they're above all that, you see. Sooooo sophisticated.
I'm sure they'll love the irony of that too! ;)
I do find the copy-cat groups of hipsters to be annoying though, and I'm not even remotely close to being a hipster. I'm a largely disgruntled divorced Gen X guy going to work in dockers pants and being a part-time single dad.
I'm invisible to anyone under 30.
Unless I'm waving my cane at them... to get them off my lawn. :P
Cheers,
Presto
Edits: 02/27/15
Aren't the vast majority of difference heard when listening to pop/rock recordings due to mastering/production or playback systems? I'm a big vinyl fan but aren't we duping these folks letting them believe vinyl sounds better? I have to tread very carefully when non-audiophiles sing the virtues of vinyl.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
"I have to tread very carefully when non-audiophiles sing the virtues of vinyl."
Why? They don't even have an agenda in regard to the future of high-end audio.... They just enjoy the music........
If one is looking for the best sound they need to support all formats. In fact comparing apples to apples if a TT always sounds better something isn't right with the system. Yea of course someone might like it that way - it would be nice they understood that instead of generalizing the state of audio.
I remember back in my early days it wasn't unusual to find systems where the best sounding source actually was the radio! Stuff like this is one of the first indicators that something is wrong with the system.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
"If one is looking for the best sound they need to support all formats."I agree, but more for flexibility than for "best sound".... I try to get the best sound from each format.
But if I don't like the sound of a particular format, I know I won't use it, so I'm not inclusive in that regard. Why pay the extra money?
People have asked me why I don't have "high rez" digital source as one of those formats.... I answer that I just don't like how it sounds, it just gets in the way of my music enjoyment. (I've read good things about new DSD DACs.... I might jump into that eventually.)
"In fact comparing apples to apples if a TT always sounds better something isn't right with the system."
Disagree.... To me, a TT sounds better the vast majority of the time because active digitized audio contains artifacts I believe breach the fragility of the music. (RFI being the main culprit. I notice this degradation not just from digital sources, but also switching power supplies.) I happen to like CD over high-rez for I think the same reason- High-rez digital audio processing generates more RFI than lower resolutions. (More bit switching per unit time.)
"Yea of course someone might like it that way - it would be nice they understood that instead of generalizing the state of audio."
I do believe digitization has desensitized the masses with their music.... The appreciation of great music has declined to alarming levels, in my humble opinion. (Note that it's a belief of mine. What's actually taking place could be something totally different. It has been a suspicion of mine since the early 1990s.)
"I remember back in my early days it wasn't unusual to find systems where the best sounding source actually was the radio!"
Don't ever recall that.... I've never recalled anyone claim their best sounding source was an FM tuner, cassette deck, or 8-track tape player...... Or claim any of those sources sounded better than vinyl. Prior to CD, vinyl and open reel tape were king.
"Stuff like this is one of the first indicators that something is wrong with the system."
Possibly.... I've had people come into my house and claim their Bose system sounds better.... I guess I like what I like.
"Give me rhythm or give me death!"
We're losing our liberty..... I'll just settle for that.
Edits: 02/24/15
Very cool.
I think the Vinyl is horseshit, when you can have DSD nowadays.
Just IMHO. nothing else.
at those who sold their vinyl and repurchased their music on CDs. There's a hell of a lot worse places for an audiophile to be today than with a lifetimes collection of clean vinyl and a digital recorder.
What's bullshit in my opinion is some sorry assed sap rebuying remasters of the same music for the 6th time in a 4th format under the guise of better sound.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
I agree totally about the remasters.... Most of the time, I prefer the original over the remaster.
It's not manure if you factor in the tactile aspect and the pleasure of admiring a nice mechanical contraption. Insofar as the sound quality, it's always an uphill climb to find proper pressings and friction will always get the better of records in time.
The jackets are so great though I would buy them and put the proper CD/SACD in there and read liner notes and look at cover art with glee and not a magnifying glass.
I love the hipsters and their Crosley Cruisers though as the are like a real live snippet of Portlandia.
I just don't get recorded music with no material support to hold and am still intrigued as to how many hard drives one will need to buy over the years to back-up music files. I have had a few hard drives fail over the years and wonder if they are now less prone to failure.
I've been at this hobby for about 45 years and our digital playback sources and systems sound much, much better to these ears...
-RW-
These guys apparently didn't get the memo (link) .....
By the way, I'll never go off on anyone who prefers digital over vinyl, high-rez over CD, etc. .... I might disagree, but it's happy disagreement.
heard the guy talk about his B&O Turntable.
It "sounds different" he said of Vinyl. Yes, I agree, if you got it from a good analogue tape, some still record that way to the Vinyl.
I think the depersonalization comments of buying music is indeed correct, I grew up around CD, the booklets and later on the artwork in the form of cd jewel cases, made of paper, etc.. made the music experience personal.
It is not so much that it is non personal now which is a bummer, the lack of physical music stores is the thing that kills me. Only 10 years ago a friend of mine and I would make our monthly venture out to the music store and buy 20 or 30 cds a piece, now that is not possible, and amazon or what have you is all we got left. the thrill of waiting for something in the mail is all we got.
In Auckland, we still have record stores and they are busy! Real Groovy recently expanded its lp section by about 30%, from what I can see. All the musos I know continue to support them assiduously for both used and new lps and, increasingly CDs too.
Keep the faith.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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