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In Reply to: RE: As usual the concept of purpose is buried in the ruble posted by Goober58 on February 21, 2015 at 13:13:32
You don't have the foggiest clue.
Only then consider the budget. Just because one can afford the Porsche hardly means its a better choice than the Honda.
As for me, I own both. An S2000 (along with a Ridgeline and ST1300) and a Boxster . Both will put a smile on your face. Both will corner at 0.9G or better. Both will top 150 or better.
One, however, offers a level of refinement and control - especially at the extremes that sets it clearly apart.
...ie. they just don't need better performance.
Not everyone has the same perceptual capabilities, but they'll never know until they have the exposure.
But of course, conspicuous consumption is important, and that why, more so than sound quality, that much of high end audio exists.
Take the straw man approach. That's the role of non-experience.
Follow Ups:
"You don't have the foggiest clue."
LOL - nothing you've said contradicts my points.
"One, however, offers a level of refinement and control - especially at the extremes that sets it clearly apart."
I never said anything different. Having experienced it or not makes no difference if one doesn't need, want, can't support, or even enjoy it. Of course once experiencing it one may desire it and have to have it, some might find it too costly and others couldn't imagine spending one penny more to have it.
Not everyone who buys it appreciates it for it's performance, some buy it for conspicuous consumption. Just like not everybody who does not buy it can't afford it - some people just don't want it.
"Not everyone has the same perceptual capabilities, but they'll never know until they have the exposure."
And I think it's almost hilarious to think people don't buy these things because they haven't experienced them. They don't buy them because they don't want them.
It's quite arrogant and self serving to think people don't buy high performance cars and/or expensive stereos because they lack perceptual capabilities. Some people just don't care and others don't care enough to make the kind of sacrifices required to fully realize the benefits of either.
"Take the straw man approach. That's the role of non-experience."
I didn't say that (your paraphrasing my comment doesn't represent the point I was making), in fact I made it very clear, that conspicuous consumption wasn't the only reason for the existence of high end audio.
The world isn't black and white like you want it to be. One might have experienced high end audio or high performance autos and concluded they don't want it. It's not about those who have perceptual superiority vs. those with sour grapes and no money.
And it's your kind of self promoting ignorance that I find so off putting about in this hobby. It's not good enough for you to enjoy your purpose you need to justify it by demeaning others. No different than those with no perceptual ability and/or no money justifying their purpose by demeaning yours.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
I never said anything different.Sure you did. Let's revisit the comment to which I responded:
Just because one can afford the Porsche hardly means its a better choice than the Honda. Unless conspicuous consumption is the purpose.
You so totally don't understand the experience of driving .
...some buy it for conspicuous consumption.
You're continuing to sound like a broken record.
And I think it's almost hilarious to think people don't buy these things because they haven't experienced them
Forget buying. Experiencing. I consider it sad. Most folks have no idea what is available.
...that conspicuous consumption
You really should get that knee jerk looked over. :)
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Make no mistake about it there's plenty of conspicuous consumers to make up for the sour grapes. Denying it is pure ignorance.
LOL - you sound like a gay guy trying to convince me the pleasures of having sex with another man. No kidding. I enjoy women, and practical audio equipment and automobiles.
I don't really give a hoot about the pursuit of the absolute sound, the ultimate driving experience or experiencing the love of another man.
You're welcome to do such things and I respect your desire to do so - but believe me my not partaking in similar pursuits has nothing to do with my ability to afford or my perceptual comprehension.
I'm comfortable believing, in fact knowing, that how much one spends on audio or automobiles has little to do with how enthusiastic one is about either pursuit. Someone can buy his way into a fraternity but that hardly makes him an enthusiast.
Make no mistake about it there's plenty of conspicuous consumers to make up for the sour grapes. Denying it is pure ignorance.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
...the discussion was comparing the experience of high end audio to driving a high performance car - an analogy even the uninitiated can relate to.
So now you find latent homosexuality to be the equivalent as well?
go completely off the rails. :)
audio and automobiles are not like crack cocaine - one taste and you're hooked for life. Well at least for most people.....
Give me rhythm or give me death!
The rest of us are talking about appreciating the performance envelope of various objects and you, well... :)
As if such defensiveness furthers our cause!
The truth is many, in fact most, people consider consumer grade audio reproduction all they need. I'm good with that- leave em alone. I don't understand the need for audiophiles to continually defend themselves - maybe we are delusional?
Bose doesn't suck - it's great products just look at the post above. People, lots of people, probably more than that are involved in high end audio believe it to be true.
Do you really think, even given another 50 years, that suddenly the public is going to catch on to high fidelity? I think not - it's already been presented to the public and the public, for the most part, just does not care.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
and understand the obvious?
The truth is many, in fact most, people consider consumer grade audio reproduction all they need.
No $hit Sherlock! You couldn't care less about reproducing live music. We get that!
What does that have to do with the object of the article?
We all know you (and others) are quite satisfied with the mediocre.
Why then do the clueless resort to attacking those who are not?
"LOL - you sound like a gay guy trying to convince me the pleasures of having sex with another man. No kidding. I enjoy women..."
Huh?
"I don't really give a hoot about the pursuit of the absolute sound, the ultimate driving experience or experiencing the love of another man."
Not even a small hoot?
"Denying it is pure ignorance."
Is it really that difficult to concede?
It's not like hearing it, or driving a high performance car is like crack cocaine. Do it once and you're hooked for life.
And FWIW I find the peculiarities required to justify the pursuit of absolute sound to be quite gay. And how much denial we will get on these peculiarities depends on whether we are trying express how good it can be (no need to advertise why it sounds this way) or why it sounds so bad (every reason to advertise why it sounds this way).
There's nothing for me to concede - I've made every concession already. It's others who are in denial.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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he is all about "status purchases". His knee jerked at least four times with his discussion with me and even about his parents:
They ponied up extra cash for the Bose system and IMO was a status purchase.
That must have been his upbringing. Status purchases. :)
That's quite obvious. There's no danger of anyone finding you have the passion for replicating the live music experience.
You're missing the entire point of the article. Differences exist and for some strange reason, Kaplan points out there are some who attack those who hear those differences and claim they are somehow delusional.
You just sound like a grumpy old man. :)
"There's no danger of anyone finding you have the passion for replicating the live music experience. "No I don't but I don't have a problem with those that do. Fact is given the recordings I chose to purchase such a purpose is bound to fail.
"You're missing the entire point of the article. Differences exist and for some strange reason, Kaplan points out there are some who attack those who hear those differences and claim they are somehow delusional."
So? My father bought a Bose home theater system and showed it to me with the greatest enthusiasm. Why should I kill his joy?
Funny thing was they researched the industry and this is what they felt was an informed decision. They ponied up extra cash for the Bose system and IMO was a status purchase. Indeed they were very proud of their choices.
For people like him and maybe most people the kinds of articles that ruffle the audiophiles feathers are perfectly appropriate. The fact is the same chords are struck when marketing audiophile gear to audiophiles - difference being every budding audiophile knows that Bose is bad news.The vast majority of people aren't even willing to use CD quality source material. Why what these people think or say is important to audiophiles is beyond me. WTF would an audiophile care? And conversely why would someone into high compression mp3 care about the PONO or high res? Like I said elsewhere in this thread - the defensiveness and insecurity on the part of audiophiles is gross. Hey if this is how we chose to use our bandwidth maybe those detractors are onto something.
"You just sound like a grumpy old man. :)"
Fair enough
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Edits: 02/21/15
Funny thing was they researched the industry and this is what they felt was an informed decision.
But has nothing at all to do with Kaplan's observations about the curious chorus who attack what they don't understand or care about. Similarly, why attack your parent's perspective if it differs from yours?
BTW, my elderly Mom was quite pleased with an Electrophonic 8-Track player. Naturally, "status" didn't play a role in her happiness. :)
I'm pointing out the differences in opinions. My objection has been to tearing others down the ignorant to justify our (audiophile) position.I'm happy your mom enjoyed her 8 track player. My mom loved her AM radios, her console and our juke box. My dad (and his 3rd wife) their Bose system.
I think these kinds of people are well served by those critical of high end audio - their satisfaction speaks for itself. Ignorance is bliss and these people are ignorant. Lucky them at least they aren't insecure and defensive.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Edits: 02/22/15
Go figure.
That's what the rest of us are basing our comments upon.
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