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I really dig this band.
one of the reasons I've invested so heavily in the high end throughout the years is because I really love noise music and power electronics. Nothing like 3am and your wooden foundation of your house is pulsating like a beating heart, and your mind is completely blown away by a wall of noise :)
What type of music has been your motivation for getting into this hobby?
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"Berlin School", a genre relatively obscure outside of Europe, utilizes improvisation upon electronic sequences..... The performers have mixers, computers, or other electronics, a lot of it either modified or home-made..... Sometimes augmented with conventional (electronic and/or acoustic) instruments.The clip you posted has imparts a strong "industrial" or "heavy metal" flavor. And atonal.... Most Berlin School happens to be tonal.
Berlin School compositions run the gamut, in regard to the tonal flavors produced. And often, the performances are never repeated. (Or never repeatable.)
I like of lot of this, but I have to be in the mood..... Since single compositions often last longer than 19 minutes... [-; And often require listening in entirety to really appreciate them. So a good amount of spare time is required. (This is good to listen to during three hour plane flights, on noise-canceling headphones.)
Tangerine Dream is maybe the most well-known artist of this genre.
"What type of music has been your motivation for getting into this hobby?"
No music specifically.... Being able to hear and appreciate all the deep interplays (jazz, rock, classical) is what got me into the hobby.
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The clip bullet posted sounds more like the bastard child of Berlin School electronica and the 'Geniale Dilletanten' kind of stuff which also was centered in Berlin but 10 years later.
Some exponents of the Geniale Dilletanten movement are Einstürzende Neubauten, Die Tödliche Doris and early Test Dept. (a british band but there was a lot of cross-fertilization between Berlin and Britain at the time).
....when this exists?
It might be interesting, but music it ain't.
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
Hearts of Space, nice label. I think I might have some Steve Roach from that label, also tends to be a little atmospheric and ambient.
Here are a couple of photos from a
college music text from back in the day:
"An Introduction to Twentieth Century
Music", by Peter Hansen, 3rd edition.
Sorry for the image quality! I just
shot the pics and uploaded them.
No processing. They're quite readable,
though, if you enlarge them.
:)
I studied musique concrete, free improvisation and "alternative" music notation under Swiss composer Rainer Boesch, who had been a student of the genre in Paris in the 1960s, and who became a well-known leader in the field in Europe. I still have a copy of his excellent composition "Mechanix", which he gave to me with the understanding that I wouldn't give it to other folks, and I listen to it regularly.
Different from "noise music" or the German style, musique concrete takes natural/real (concrete) sounds, modifies them (or not) and combines them into a composition. To a composer of musique concrete, natural acoustic sounds are the raw material to be shaped into whatever form the composer wishes to use in the music.
Folks here on the AA may also be interested in the CEMI center at the University of North Texas in Denton. http://cemi.music.unt.edu/
:)
Interesting...
and there were two recordings that I remember sounding amazing on my fathers stereo and just so-so on our neighbors. One was Getz/Gilberto and the other 101 Strings Malagueña from the Spain album. I know, 101 Strings were kinda cheesy, but for my age I thought that song was great. It was only natural for me to have a decent system and in high school, my system included a Pioneer 626 receiver,Altec 886A (passive radiator)and Pioneer TT. Not shabby for a kids 8x10 bedroom.
45 years ago, for some reason, I bought the Mehta Turandot and my simple AR table, Fisher receiver and speakers college rig didn't do it anymore.
At once I wanted to hear Sutherland and Pavarotti alone, at concert decibel levels where I was once content to listen to Nyro and Kooper among friends.
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Fool my senses that I am there with the musicians.
Or, in the case of most amplified music, I am actually hearing them , not the deafening wall of sonic mud sound reinforcement system.
I was 13 years old and Rush's Moving Pictures was on my uncle's stereo. I was blown away!My musical tastes have expanded in preceding 30+ years, but I am, and always will be a power rocker at the core.
Meat; It's the right thing to do. Romans 14:2
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"What type of music has been your motivation for getting into this hobby?"
I've never considered it a hobby, if by "hobby" you mean chasing my tail with various "upgrades." I merely wanted something that was more realistic at presenting music than my transistor radio. Once I assembled a modest system I kept it for years until something broke or someone demonstrated to me a way of getting a significant improvement without writing a five figure check. I’m not sure what you mean by a “wall of noise” other than it doesn’t strike me as something that I would find especially musical, though I gather from your other comments that it’s pretty loud. I’m glad you enjoy your hobby. I’ve noticed over the years that a lot of folks who post on here seem to be disappointed with audio as a hobby.
They aren't the reason I got interested in high end, but I came to the music of Theologian, Macronympha, Whitehouse, etc by way of jazz... these guys in particular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6N8C6A6fcg
I've been to the Knitting Factory, pretty cool place, I try to stay away from shows for over a decade now and I've turned my pad into a bar and lounge. Maybe sometimes I have 2 people over, and that's about as crowded as it gets :)
At my age, noise shows are too dangerous! Last one was years ago... Aaron Dilloway. Was lucky to escape with all my body parts. Plus it's beyond interesting to have all these people look at me and ask me if I'm in the right place. :) Great music, though. High energy. Really decimated my sensibilites about what sound has to be in order to be called music.
...I have always loved popular music and hearing those songs again evoke memories of my life.As a kid in the mid-1950s I hung out at a big park swimming pool with a jukebox - Chuck Willis' "C. C. Rider, the Olympics' "Western Movies", the Coasters' "Searchin", and the Silhouettes "Get a Job".
In 1959 in the 5th grade a few of us hung around in the classroom at lunch and listened to 45rpm records - Larry Williams "Short, Fat, Fanny", Danny and the Juniors' "At the Hop".
On my mother's AM radio I heard Elvis and Chuck Berry.
One of the first records I bought was Link Wray's "Rumble".
I recall the day the plane crashed killing Ritchie Valens, Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper - what a tragedy.
In high school in the mid-1960s I was listening to the Beatles, Beach Boys and Dick Dale.
Then in college from 1967 to 1972 I witnessed the birth of classic rock and saw lots of live music - Jimi, the Who, Stones, Janis, Steve Miller, etc.
I still listen to all of that and much more today.
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....and the music never started, so I gave up. I am assuming it starts sometime after that, but my patience (lack of) got the best of me.......
Oz
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.
- Winston Churchill
What type?
I was bitten by a French horn at an early age so the infection eventually became more than a hobby
When I was very young, I heard my Grampa play a French horn and then later heard him play a French horn recording through his Heathkit mono hifi. I was fascinated how “his horn” came out of that box and then how it was stored on the black disc (record) spinning on the thing “I shall not touch” called a turntable.
Strangely, I was much less curious about him playing the horn than what was involved playing it back.
Later at age 9, I was already VERY curious about how things worked, especially related to sound.
One Sunday afternoon I was helping Grampa clean up the Church after service when I saw the Organist had just parked outside and was back to practice.
Having explored the more interesting places like the furnace room, the cavity under the pulpit, the tower where the bell used to be and organ pipe loft and such, I hurried up to the room where the extension ladder in a closet lead to the organ pipe loft.
This type of organ had a small room full of organ pipes and the volume was regulated by opening and closing louvers into the sanctuary.
Inside the pipe room, it was full blast all the time.
When she played a pedal note, I didn’t know if it should run or what, it shook my body and yet there was nothing moving.
I stood there instead of running until I felt like I had enough (a couple songs).
The only thing I could find as a kid that had that effect was stand 10 feet or so away (as an adult what I would call dangerously close) from a speeding freight train, which thankfully we had in our back yard a few times a day. Much later in life I found this feeling was something like was the term “Sublime” as it would have been used in the iron age but here applied to sound experience.
Many years later in the early 80’s I was able to develop a new type of loudspeaker / subwoofer transducer while working at a NASA contractor. My boss was a hifi buff and when version 3 sounded good enough to show him, I brought it in. He liked it and let me start some informal work on the clock and start a small speaker division.
These were called Servodrive Subwoofers and nearly all were very large speakers used in concerts and for special effects at theme parks and stuff but an off shoot of a subwoofer made for Elephant communication research called a Contrabass was a modestly successful in large home theater systems. A number of well known Hollywood types have these or had these back then but at the time the idea was pretty ridiculous to use one in a normal home.
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/way-down-deep-ii-servodrive-contrabass
Another rotary transducer (I didn’t invent the first one)
http://www.soundimage.dk/Different-col/LinearMotor.htm
Since then my focus has been much less on transducers and more on high power subwoofers and Full range loudspeaker systems with the goal of making them radiate as if they were a single point in time for large scale hifi in commercial sound.
Best,
Tom Danley
You may want to read a book called CRYPTONOMICAN (Stephenson). It has some interesting thoughts on the pipe organ related to computer development. Quite entertaining as well.
"I was bitten by a French horn"I was bitten on the neck by a hot female French Horn player. Apparently, I held her like a French Horn.
:)
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I am a child of 80's music. I was very fortunate to have music in the home ever since I can remember. The whole family had different stereo systems, therefore, giving way to better listening experiences!
just about any/all of it. I wanted it loud and clear...which is why those Voice of the Theater A-7 speakers sounded so sweet in my mountain cabin during those heady days that the late 1960's were.
I began around 3 or 4 years old when I took notice of and began to understand music- my uncle played Hammond B-3 and a bunch of synthesizers back in the early 70's (yes, he was one of the original "prog-rockers"), and had the best (certainly not THE best, but best in the family) stereo system (Dyna ST-150 power amp, Phase linear C2000 pre, Taya 'table/A-T cart). I remember hearing him play along to Yes, Genesis and ELP, as well as some Mike Oldfield and more obscure stuff. Combine that with a love of percussion (or just the love of hitting things in time) and I became hooked on music as a whole.
I also discovered the bass guitar at 16 and have been playing at various levels (amateur to professional) ever since- everything from Prog Rock, Metal, Jazz and Freeform Industrial.
So my love of music has dealt me a double-edged sword; the quest for a system that gets out of the way and lets the recording though (like most professional studios), BUT also gives me warmth and non-fatiguing "musical" sound. Boy! Did I bite off more than I can chew?
I could go on, but I'm sure you get the idea...
YMMV.
Dman
Analog Junkie
My dad's friend was a huge movie nut and had 3000 laserdiscs and a big home theater set-up in the mid/late 80s. Hearing Raiders of the Lost Ark on that system was amazing.
Started on the home theater track but dropped it fairly quickly when I realized most of the movies I liked were story character driven and I didn't need the spectacle to "enjoy" the movie or need it to be more immersed in it.
Indeed I heard this on a youtube show report not long ago and it brought back why I got into audiophile gear.
It is the ability of a great system to reach into me and let everything fall away. It's been more than two decades and I'm still not there yet but getting closer.
Audio Note gear provides colonoscopies?How about, "I obtained inner release because I listened carefully. I felt as if I was reaching into the music."
I would imagine that *volition* is the initializing agent for some.
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Pink Floyd
Kansas
Alan Parsons
Return to Forever
Probably in that order.
BH do you have a copy of the track Madness by Muse? It really gets the room throbbing. A little poppy for noise, but fun and well recorded.
thanks, Pink Floyd, I can see.
Muse, thanks I'll check them out on Deezer.
and playing the original LP on a nice tube system in 1975 at a restaurant I worked at.
Don't remember the specifics of the system.
Then there's Caravanserai, which I've listened to thousands of times and would like
to hear on a plethora of systems. But then it would become... work, so... never mind!
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Both reference -quality albums.
that's class. Very relaxing :)
I had no idea about Jazz until I was in my mid 20s.
Don't know if I agree, but I'll take it as a compliment.
My father was a jazz drummer (notice I DIDN'T say musician? Drummer jokes just don't get old...) so I grew up
with him and his band mates practicing at the house and attended their gigs.
He had a pretty good record collection too (which is where I got the Rollins LP).
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
How do you know when a drummer is knocking on the door?
He rushes.
***
Drummer dynamics:
fff = EXTREMELY LOUD
ff = Almost extremely loud
f = Very loud
mf = Loud
mp = A little less loud
p = Not quite as loud
pp = Sort of loud
ppp = A little loud
:)
N/T
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
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"E Burres Stigano"
... Including any classic rock from the 60's/70's.
However I think singularly it was The Beatles which got me most interested in prerecorded music.
Smile
Sox
Yeah, it was the Beatles and the rest of the great invaders for me, too.
When I realized, at the age of 14, that there was such a thing as really good "stereos" I knew I had to have one.
Funny thing is with the release of the Beatles MONO Lps I listen to these records and realize that IS where it all began. Listening to this stuff on AM table radios, mostly, and when I could get away with it the parent's console stereo and imagining what it really sounded like and now at the age of 59 I finally hear what it sounds like.
Both the system and the medium have progressed to the point where I have come close to experiencing what I could only imagine at nine years old.
that is great, I am a child of the 90s, so go figure. at least that was when I got exposed to music with my first "real" stereo as it was called.
systems came later. :)
One of many great Brit Blues guitarists.
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He never got the recognition, but somehow I do not think he minded much.
... When I bent a ram on my front-end loader and the hydraulic intake was restricted it sounded just like that. The hydraulic pick-up then droned just like the bass in that noise.
3k later and I was rid of that awful sound forever, or so I thought.
I just shake my head, I don't know why, I just do.
Anyway, as long as you like it....
Smile
Sox
can you record it for me? I also make music like that. Would appreciate some samples so I can use them for some new tracks, I've been in a rut because I've not been making any new albums recently.
There's a RR right of way across the highway and they've had 3 big D/E engines parked there lately during track repairs. Every few hours they fire'm up and run'm for some reason.
From 1/2 a mile away it sounds like the hammers of hell and you can see a glass of water vibrate.
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some recording artist like Robert Rich go out into the wilderness and record synth and flute with sounds of the forests, my idea of "field recordings" is just that.
pretty cool man! :)
... The next time one of these throws its lunch I will record it.
I'm sure you can't wait!
Smile
Sox
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they could be a set from a movie! :-)
Vbr,
Sam
Great pics!
thanks, if you can record at least 24/96 PCM WAV that would be a + :) thanks brother...
here's a link to my thrown up lunch
... I won't listen to your selection just this moment. I will wait till I'm on the throne just in case the whole system lets go!
Oh baby, there is nothing quite like industrial noise @ 120dB recorded in 24/96 PCM.
No wonder I wear sunglasses when reading your posts.
Life is good, enjoy it ... er, or survive it.
Smile
Sox
I was checking out Thrones on Amazon, this one cost $2,800 or so. I don't have room for it or I would.
I am not altogether sure your music/noise completely agrees with my somewhat delicate disposition.
:)
Smile
Sox
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