|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
67.175.125.29
In Reply to: RE: Essence of Music posted by fantja on November 26, 2014 at 05:30:19
I've been using since its introduction. No looking back.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
Follow Ups:
...have you compared it to any others?
I have been using Optrix for years because it's cheap and makes my CDs sound better.
L'art du son is supposed to sound better but costs a lot more.
There are many others...
mkuller-
when using Optrix, do you have to re-treat or touch up your CDs ?
Yes, I've used them and others. I was urged by a friend whose ears and judgment I trust to try EOM. End of the road.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
Edits: 11/26/14
Short term, the product actually works.... The effect is a sense of "space" and palpable presence of the performers.... Sounds less like CD, more like vinyl, in that regard.
But in several months, I will compare treated vs. untreated, just to make sure the effects aren't short lived. In the past, I've used products that seemed to work initially, but the effect either wore off or degraded sound over time.
One interesting aspect of this product is an idea borrowed from LAST Record Treatment. The company provides stickers (of almost the exact same size) to mark the treated CDs (stuck on the case, of course). So you know at a glance which CDs were or were not treated.
I have demoed Essence Of Music many times using a pair of disks (one treated and one not) that was treated over 1.5 years ago. The Buddy Guy track has been played several hundred times by now. That live recording usually only takes a few seconds for most listeners to 'get it'. I have several pairs of discs that were treated over a year ago and I demo any of them without reguard as to how long ago they were treated.
Make sure the words you type today taste good because you may get to eat them tomarrow.
Just ran an impromptu "treated vs. untreated" test.... I still noticed the treated "sounding more like vinyl" effect.... Don't know if it's as profound as immediately after treatment, but it's still there. This is roughly 5 months after treatment. (The Who- "Ultimate Collection" CD set.... I have 2 sets, one treated, the other not.)
Sometime mid next year, I'll do this again, and will do it "blind" on different tracks, to reduce possible "placebo effect".....
For a time I swore by a fairly pricey CD treatment with special treatmet cloth, etc with nice results. I'm not gonna' tell you what I use now.
But if this product is like other CD treatment products, I'll bet dollars-to-donuts you'll still lose sonic benefits within hours of treatment and need to retreat every time.
That's my bet anyway, but it would be nice if you only need to treat once and forget-about-it.
Besides the good news is with my external drive and USB ports, I rarely need to reach for a CD to treat.
Point well taken Todd.
I am looking for long-term satisfaction.
It is illogical to keep "treating" my CD collection over time.
You can also put the stickers on the discs, preferably near the center.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
Brian, I once heard a cd painted with AVM paint that was slightly painted more on one side versus one that was carefully spray painted. The latter sounded much better. I would not put the EOM sticker on the cd, but I admit that I haven't tested this.
> > The Essence of Music is a product designed to reduce laser read errors, caused by bi-refraction, and the jitter caused by the laser read errors. < <
Terrific! It should be dead nuts simple to put up some charts showing significant reduction of laser read errors and jitter after application of the magic sauce. What? The reviewer didn't conduct any testing to validate those claims? Why, pray tell?
So, basically, another in a series of baseless claims. No thanks...
-RW-
no matter lack of published/proclaimed data/numbers/specs, et al.
At least that's what my EARS conveyed.
Too bad the Essence of Music treatment is so damned expensive; I'd like to try it out.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I don't remember the products specifically, but I have tried several CD treatments that I thought made the CD sound worse, from the get-go.....
I've also yet to encounter a treatment that I thought permanently improved the sound. I should have a better idea about the Essence of Sound treatment after a few more months.
That's my test. I must have tried a dozen of these things, starting back with Sam Tellig's Armor All idea (seriously, do NOT try this at home), and proceeding to the green pen, Walker Vivid, Mapleshade Mikro Smooth, Auric Illuminator, something called Finyl, Optrix, the laughable disc that glowed, various mat thingies from Herbies, and so on. Oh yes, and we can't forget the Intelligent Chip no matter how much we'd like to. Only Optrix remains, mainly because it does a really good job on my glasses when they get dirty.I'm not saying the rest (except Armor All and the Chip) are total losers, just that I no longer feel the need to use any of them and haven't for ages. But I'm still a sucker* for (cheap) tweaks :-)
* That's how I wound up with an AudioPrism "Ground Control."
Edits: 11/27/14
Yes Dave- there are a plethora of these 'CD Treatment' products out there...
Nicknamed "L' Art du Suck" by some naysayers.
Jena Labs
Liquid Resolution
Nanotech 8500
Auric Illuminator
never tried the Liquid Resolution.Have been very happy with the Jena Labs and Auric Illuminator (both gels or pastes, coincidence?)
which take more care and time to apply but always seemed worth the effort.The Nanotech less so.
Colored marker to the edges (ever decide which color works bets for YOU?), Herbie's Black Hole (sadly discontinued,
luckily I bought a couple), and them shiny discs sound DAMN good.For the price of the EOM, I'll stick with the two mentioned treatments and less fancy/elegant over packaging
targeted at audiophiles with deep pockets.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure
Edits: 11/27/14
Thanks! for sharing musetap-
I am seeking a one treatment process product.
Not interested in having to re-treat my CDs later down the road.
Most likely the anti static element in any CD fluid, or say Nordost anti static spray, the effect could last perhaps a week or several months, even industrial strength anti static sprays are not permanent, thus you might have trouble meeting the criterion of one time treatment.BIf you are intent on removing chemical reside from the surface of the CD if that's your goal one time might be sufficient. Or if you are trying to fill in micro cavities once is probably sufficient. Won't even mention demagnetization, which (ideally) should also be performed. And the CDs need to be demagnetized regularly so I suspect if you are trying to avoid work, CDs is probably not the ticket.
Nanotech 8500 here. I remember Clark Johnsen found it insufficiently attractive in his shootout and then sort of changed his mind when I pressed him a bit. I moved from Auric Illuminator to the Nanotech and am content. I would love to know exactly what each of the elixirs actually does but have never had it explained very well.
I would like to think some of the elixirs remove mold release compound MRC from the subsurface of the clear layer but I have never found proof or even evidence that MRC is employed In the manufacturing process, oh, well. And I suppose an anti static element would be nice.
Edits: 11/27/14 11/27/14
Intron 8500 "consists of highly purified water & 50-Nano-meter sized organic conductive polimer + 8-Nano meter sized ultra-micro pure silver particles. These particles are dispersed as a high density rate, thus the liquid and particles will [fill in] the scratches on the discs, while covering the surface with a protective coating...[it] creates an unobstructed path for the laser pick-up of your CD or DVD, BD player/recorder to easily read and write the digital data imprinted on optical discs. ... [it] also eliminates electrostatic charges...minimizing the adherence of dust particles..."So fills in scratches, helps discourage new ones, eliminates static charges...and may do more they're not mentioning, though I don't know why they wouldn't say all they can. Still these things don't strike me as sufficient to accomplish what I hear.
What I hear is greater clarity, increased smoothness, decreased edginess. None of these effects is dramatic but all are audible. I put it on new discs and occasionally use it to try to repair screwed up rented DVD's. Every once in a while I'll play a new CD without the 8500 and then add it just to see if IT's still there. It usually is. I could live w/o it but choose not to. I 'm not much of a tweaker by nature but am willing to indulge in this case.
Edits: 11/27/14
Nice! Geoff-
any of these products require a re-treatment or touch up over time?
See my post above. Haven't re-treated any of the discs originally treated years ago with AI
or Jena, but see no reason NOT to do so, just need to make the time to do so.
With those two, I see (and probably wouldn't hear) a downside to doing so.
I don't have any more Nanotech, won't pursue it further and am not sure if I'd
treat those treated discs with a different treatment.
I color coded treated CDs with a dot on the face to distinguish which is coated with what, thus eliminating the need for stickers.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
I dunno. Maybe.
Do you know anything about the products you mentioned???
Not really. Only how they sound. I kind of doubt any of the manufacturers explain very much about what's in their product without, you know, giving away the farm.
Edits: 11/27/14
I suspect this is it...meaning why the published blurb above from 8500 is so...unsatisfying. Something else is going on. Whatever goes on is limited to the plastic coating, I assume, so I can't imagine what's involved. Sorry to keep this thread so unsatisfying!
Great stuff. I've been using it for 20+ years. Available at Amazon for only $5.79 for an 8oz bottle.Give it a try and let us know what you think.
And no, haven't compared it to any of the recent crop of overpriced CD treatments lol
Edits: 11/26/14
There is a 30 day money back satisfaction guarantee, if that helps.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
They improve the listening experience for as long as you believe they improve the listening experience. At least that's been my, er, experience
Yes, Brian. Essence of Music did make the rounds on the audio-show circuit this year.
floats your boat.
May I offer you a Q-Tip?
Brian
So much music, so little time!
Thank You! Brian.
this product still appears as a sleeper. I buy tons of used CD(s) and am searching for the best cleaning/polishing product for my needs.
The best of this type product is Liquid Resolution made famous in Clark Johnsen's survey of such esoterica in the epic, Lotions Eleven, published Geez has it been seven years ago in PFO. Sadly the manufacturer Brian Kyle of Liquid Resolution passed earlier in the year. At last count there were perhaps twenty such products, some extinct.
...has done a lot of comparisons of CD treatments.
Be interesting to hear how this one compares to some of the better ones.
posted a lot of comparisons on his experiences with treated CDs.
He hasn't posted in quite a while though.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Quint, whom I met, hasn't posted in over 3 years.
That thread dates back to 2009.
You wrote: "For the price of the EOM, I'll stick with the two mentioned treatments and less fancy/elegant over packaging targeted at audiophiles with deep pockets."
Does using ladies' perfume spray bottles count as over packaging? The white cardboard box with a printed logo on the lid might cost a dollar or so.
I don't follow your logic, but suit yourself.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
posted a lot of comparisons on his experiences with treated CDs.
He hasn't posted in quite a while though.
"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination" -Michael McClure
Post a Followup:
FAQ |
Post a Message! |
Forgot Password? |
|
||||||||||||||
|
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: