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In Reply to: RE: Ok posted by stehno on November 15, 2014 at 11:42:09
I never said anything about dynamic range.
I'm trying to reconcile that comment with this previous one:
becoming overly dynamic due to the electronics.
How can a component be "overly dynamic" without saying "anything about dynamic range"?
I'm thoroughly confused by your commentary.
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The dynamics, particularly the intial attack of a note induced by a strike, a pluck, or blatt, is not the same as the dynamic range of an entire musical piece such as a crenscendo or a complex music passage of many instruments.
Electronics and/or a not very-well-thought-out pb system can more easily cause the initial attack of a note (not the entire note) to sound as though it's in-your-face or inches from your ear. But far less likely to cause a full orchestra to perform in its entirety inches from your ear.
I suspect that some of this may have to do with some types of music being closely mic'ed. Where the mic's diaphram may be inches away from the instrument during the performance and become overly excited by the initial attack of a given note. If so, that gets transferred to the recoridng.
And if so, then it could stand to reason that an amplified gain stage captures most of that recording mic diaphragm's overexcitement and puts it right back in your face at playback time and there's no way around the essentially overamplification of this.
I'm reaching as that's just a guess.
Whatever it is, with a certian combination of variables in a system config, it can actually sound as though your ears are racing to be on the soundstage next to the instruments for the initial attack, but then your ears race back, planted well into the audience for the rest of the music.
I've encountered that very unnatural sound in my system in a big way with high-powered amps and amplified gain stage. Exchanging the active preamp with a passive volume attenuator put all the music back up on the soundstage so that it seemed as though my ears' perspective remained planted in the audience for perhaps 99.9% of all the music. Which to me is far more natural.
As a result, all the dynamics remained but now in a more natural way and with some distance, as everything was now occurring on the soundstage, not in my face.
But again, many things come into play to cause and cure. It's not JUST an amp/preamp combo problem, which is what I think you keep trying to keep this limited to. Try to assume there's more to the vineyard.
The dynamics, particularly the intial attack of a note induced by a strike, a pluck, or blatt, is not the same as the dynamic range of an entire musical pieceIt would seem we have a different definition to the word dynamic. Here's what I find in the dictionary:
relating to the volume of sound produced by an instrument, voice, or recording.
Volume. Contrast between loud and soft. Do you refer to transient response ?
What's yours?
Electronics and/or a not very-well-thought-out pb system can more easily cause the initial attack of a note (not the entire note) to sound as though it's in-your-face or inches from your ear.
That seems to be more imaging related than to that of dynamics. Or, driver overload.
And if so, then it could stand to reason that an amplified gain stage captures most of that recording mic diaphragm's overexcitement
A "diaphragm's overexcitement"? So, you find speakers that are faster than the instruments themselves? I sure haven't experience that and I use full range electrostats whose moving mass is less than the air around them. i enjoy the fact that the sound of a twelve string guitar has the speed and attack of the real thing. Like you find with Micheal Hedge's work. Or the percussive attack of a piano. For me, the ability for the signal chain to respond quickly renders a more natural result.
I've encountered that very unnatural sound in my system in a big way with high-powered amps and amplified gain stage.
That is quite understandable. I've heard plenty of mediocre high powered amps. :)
Edits: 11/15/14
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