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In Reply to: RE: The Sony and Sanyo are probably better turntables. posted by olddude55 on October 17, 2014 at 04:57:02
why P mount cartridges were not very successful. They're very simple to
install - no muss, no fuss, no need to invest a whole lot of money in
infrequently used accessories - and they all sounded fine to my ear.
My gut feeling is that people who like vinyl are inveterate fiddlers and
tinkerers: they actually enjoy jumping up every 15-20 minutes to change
the record, fiddling with VTA, trying new tt mats, adjusting tracking
weight, washing records, spending money on inner and outer record sleeves,
trying different carts and styli, etc., etc., ad nauseam. Personally,
I like to pop the disc in the player and listen uninterrupted for an hour
or so. YMMV or course ...
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I think that is probably a very accurate description of those types. At this stage, I don't know enough to know what to tinker with. For now, simple is good. For now.
Kerry
I'd bet that most people here went through the fiddling and tinkering phase. I know I did. You can't know what does and does not work unless you fiddle and tinker to some degree.The three things that matter most to me, performance-wise?
- Placement. Of speakers, listening seat, and components. Speaker/seat placement relating to acoustics. Component placement relating to vibration control, cabling issues, and ergonomics.
- Component matching. Mostly, amp/speaker synergy. I'm mostly looking for a natural sounding tonal balance, decent dynamics, and a low noise floor.
- Cartridge. The cartridge is more influential than any other part in a turntable system, assuming that the phono preamp is properly matched and the turntable itself is a halfway decent model that maintains proper speed.
If I'm happy with the state of these things and every other aspect of my system attracts little or no undue attention, then I can relax and listen almost indefinitely...
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Yup. Nothing is as satisfying as tweaking settings on a turntable. Unless it's trying to maximize speaker placement and room environment.
Gotta go now. I haven't checked the VTF for a few days. Have see how it's doing and maybe see if a .1 gram change will affect sound for the better. ;)
"My gut feeling is that people who like vinyl are inveterate fiddlers and
tinkerers..."
Yep. I've had numerous turntables. My favorites were the B&O tangential trackers. I *loved* the fact that the cartridges were optimized for the tonearms and simply snapped into place. Set your tracking force and you're done!
Like you, once CDs came out, I jumped on that bandwagon and never looked back. Not having to fuss and fiddle ad infinitum and having 1+ hours of music uninterrupted sealed the deal for me...
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and back in the system. Sweet little deck.
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Beogram 5000 with MMC-3 cartridge here. Another sweet B & O.
the B&O cart that came with the deck was buggered and I replaced it with the cheapest Soundsmith unit. The SMMC4 was only $150, but should have sprung for the SMMC2, which is now something like $500USD.
The SMMC4 sounds good but the bonded elliptical stylus can get tizzy on some vocals.
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I'm going for the Soundsmith SMMC2 after my MMC3 stylus wears out. I think having a good auto deck is fun and the extra money might be well spent. I can always get Soundsmith's cartridge adapter if I want to use the SMMC2 on a different arm/deck combo.
SMMC2 for me also.
I used the TX2 for a couple of hours yesterday evening. It doesn't sound as good as my main deck but it's close. The biggest differences are the effect of the elliptical stylus and not as much bass energy.
But it still sounds damned good, much better than the Rega P2 I used at one point, better than my friend's Kenwood/Transcriptors combo.
I've got a cat problem. There are two windows on the same wall as the stereo rack and the cats use the rack as a path to the windows.
If I recall, the Beogram is pretty much cat proof so I played records with the door to the stereo room open for a change. Of course, none of the cats tried to jump on the deck.
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There were some really good turntables with P-mount arms but apparently they never sold and still don't get much respect. Maybe if we had bought in, outfits like VPI and Rega would be making decks with P-mount tone arms today.Didn't Technics make a good solid quartz-locked direct drive deck with a P-mount arm? And wasn't there once a Shure V15 series P-mount cart?
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Edits: 10/17/14
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