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In Reply to: RE: Confession time: Have you ever "tricked" your own ears? posted by genungo on September 11, 2014 at 08:14:29
A black box with a power switch off is inserted into a wall outlet in a room where there's a fantastic system. The stereo is powered up and the listener establishes a frame of reference. The black box is turned on and suddenly the systems sounds much better. The box then turned off and the stereo sounds worse.How is this listener being fooled and what can he do to prove it?
This actually happened to me. And BTW you aren't being fooled if you don't know it.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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Based upon the the info you provided it would be impossible to say how you might have been fooled or to suggest a way of proving it.
Please provide some more details about the system and the black box.
You're fooling yourself if you think you need something more to figure it out.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Based upon your response, I now believe that I would need to hear the system (and try to hear the black box in the system) for myself before drawing any conclusions.
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Unplug the black box.Sure as heck powered off the device made the system sound worse. Powered on it sounded just as good as it did with the black box unplugged.
I actually heard improvements with the intelligent chip. However when I attempted to objectively prove my conclusion I proved my self wrong. However the disks I chose as being the treated disks (but weren't) still sound better to this day. And amazingly the treated disks sound better too!
Another one - a CD comparison where when I inserted a new much more costly CDP into my system it sounded much much better. I was about ready to pop for the new CDP when I decided to give the old one a listen and found it sounded almost as good. I passed on the purchase. From this though I discovered I can upgrade my CDP a couple of times a year just be disconnecting and reconnecting the interconnects.
One time I spent more than a grand on a half-meter interconnect because it sounded best. Yes it sounded much much better than any other interconnect I tried. To bad when I dumped my speakers this wire between my amp and pre amp became worse than the low cost interconnects (kimber pbj) I had laying around.
And I've said this a 100 times or more - only a fool believes spending more money means better stereo - in fact often it can mean worse. On the other hand better stereo does cost more and there's an application for even the most expensive of equipment.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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Above, you stated something to the effect that "we are not being fooled if we don't know about it".Ever heard of the phrase "He was in denial"? Even though our fantasies or denials might be temporary ones, they can be surprisingly effective darkeners while still in effect.
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I believe that the question is the experiment's validity, not the causation.
Rick
Twiddle-dee & twiddle-dum.
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