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In Reply to: RE: I'm giving props to Lady Gaga... posted by RGA on September 06, 2014 at 23:21:37
She was born Stefani Germanotta, and was a classically trained musician.
See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SagYW3-KNyc
If the link doesn't work, try going to youtube and typing in her real name and the word piano, the video will be the first one to come up, titled:
"Stefani Germanotta (Lady Gaga) - Captivated Live 2005".
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Hmm... Did anyone else notice that the piano she was playing in that video sounded like it
"might" have had a cracked hammer shaft in one of the registers ?Sorry, I can't help making comments about pianos after spending years around a Piano Rebuilder's shop & learning what is implied when a Piano Tech says "Good enough for Jazz"; They're saying what is the "generally" considered acceptable for use "could" use a bit
more work before the instrument is what it should sound like.(Just find a Piano with numerous cracked hammer shafts & you have an instant "Honkey Tonk" piano)
Edits: 09/08/14
I have seen that before but it's nice to see.I think the point of my post got a little side tracked where it turned into talent evaluation night on audioasylum.
People will like or dislike a given singer - and it may or may not have anything to do with their ability to sing. Mariah Carey has a near operatic voice and I respect the voice a lot but objectively weaker singers like Madonna, Ellie Goulding, or Lady Gaga has a better shot at making it onto my playlist.
Axl Rose was voted by some as the best Male Vocalist because of an impressive 5 octave range but I know a lot of people who view his voice as nails on a chalkboard.
I don't think range is all that import - it's kind of what you do with it and the song you sing. Opera singers have excellent voices but when you know what the translation is and you listen to them bellowing away with such silly translated lyrics in often absurd stories it's real tough for me to dump on pop song lyrics.
I still wouldn't consider Lady Gaga to have a "great voice" - it's "good" but I would not buy an album based on the vocal talent in the same way I would buy an Eva Cassidy on vocal talent. Cassidy could sing the phone book and I'd probably buy the album.
The main point was that I felt it is nice to see a major pop star - arguably the biggest female pop star do something quite a lot different and take some risk doing it because now it will be about her voice and not the costumes and videos and pyrotechnics. It will be about the voice and interpretation of Jazz standards. I like the fact that she will put her neck out there and TRY to do something different. Regardless how it pans out critically or commercially I respect her for doing this when she is still on top and still selling out every show worldwide. It puts a genre of music on the map for a lot of people. More-so, it isn't some collaboration with a 25 year old male Jazz singer of some current fame - it's a pairing to a non sex symbol 87 year old man that most of Gaga's fan base probably doesn't know exists.
As an aside - A list of male and female singers by vocal range past and present
Edits: 09/08/14
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I do as well. But for me I keep searching and wanting to listen to new artists. Bring something different to the table.
It's like when people compare covers (I did the same) and people argue over which one is best. Gee is everything a competition. I can like a Frank Sinatra and a James Darren version of a song (listening to James as I type this). I can Like Ella as well as a Sophie Milman cover of it. I may like the Ella version of it more but to be fair it's probably because I am used to the version.
I don't mind people who dump on every female pop singer but I wish they would provide 5 alternates who:
1) they think are "good singers"
2) are still breathing
3) have put out an album in the last 5 years
Eva Cassidy in death could run circles around Gaga in life. To bring up Gaga in the same sentence as Cassidy is disrespectful.
I realize your intention was to be descriptive as possible ,but that analogy was just completely ridiculous.
"Taste" really carries no more importance than it is only someone's subjective opinion of something. While explaining why you do like something may be useful & generate more interest in something,posting "dopey" analogies to describe your feelings are well...pretty dopey if you use "cartoonish or Science Fiction" scenarios to fortify your "opinion".
(What do they say about opinions ?; & even that is subjective !!!)
Eva Cassidy has been dead for almost 20 years. I don't see how they can remotely be compared and why would anyone would try to, they're so different and I don't think RGA was trying to. Eva was a small time local DC lounge songstress who covered standard pop, country and blues songs who's mild fame came after death. Lady Gaga is a current, original PoP Diva, fashion icon, musician, singer, songwriter and money machine who sure can be fun to watch but not someone you listen to just hear her sing, at least I don't like I do other singers, RGA's point maybe? I don't understand why any of this would be disrespectful to Eva.
Maybe when the duet album with Tony comes out your opinion of her will change a bit, you might be surprised. She's a lot better than you give her credit for even if you don't like her.
Exactly what I said - Eva Cassidy could sing the phone book and I buy her albums because you pays to hear her sing.
With PoP it's about the spectacle and music videos perhaps ended the radio star. With music videos - it is theater - a short film of sorts.
This was the first thing I think I ever say with Gaga and it is a commentary on the pop music scene and the fascination with the stars and how they "stay on top" and indeed the fleeting popularity of the pop diva in general and her own future career in the business.
Pop is about a catchy song, and lots of spectacle. Madonna and Michael Jackson were perfect at this. Lady Gaga is no slouch at it.
And when we talk about singing talent there are not many in the Eva Cassidy class outside of Opera which is kind of love it or hate it.
I mean take some of the biggest artists in rock - does anyone go to see Bob Dylan because he's a great vocalist? Here is my favorite Bob Dylan spoof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H26rfN5H8J0
Gaga and spectacle
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