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In Reply to: RE: Quite the Listening Room! posted by lokie on September 02, 2014 at 15:28:22
The room was abysmal. No effective diffusion or bass trapping, sound was muddy. I think I would have been better plopping the equipment into any random finished basement or family room. Now, many dollars later, it sounds quite nice. The speakers overwhelm it a bit, and it actually sounded better when I had Altairs. That being said, my next room will be bigger and I'm very psyched to get the Arrakis in there.
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Interesting. I'm sure when they walked out of that room it measured as it should. More definitive proof that when it comes to engaging sound, you cant measure everything.
I would say that most professionally installed AV rooms I've been in, sounded lifeless. Mostly it's the decay and presence (as in the presence of the recording hall/studio) isn't "right." I always blamed it on the designers desire to make each listening seat "flat". I'm sure they measure perfectly, but they dampen the micro cues that make the performance sound real.
I haven't been in a lot of recording studios but I'm certain that the "sound" engineer/designer are going for is also very different from the 2 channel audiophile. Concluding that both the market for designing 2 channel audiophile type rooms and the number of designers that can do that correctly is very, very small.
Hey Lokie, I understand what you're saying. Most "professionally" installed AV rooms in homes are way too dead. This is because most "professional" home theater designers/installers don't have a clue about acoustics or psychoacoustics. "Deader is better" seems to be their motto. If you said "small compared to the wavelength", I'd wager that most of them would give you a blank stare.
Obviously, I can't comment on Rob's room, since I know nothing about it other than a couple of pics. But from those pics, it does seem to have a good mix of absorption and diffusion. And, he likes it - and that's what's important.
A really good designer, one who actually knows what they're doing, can give you a room that's live, dead, or anywhere in between. It's also important to know that not all listening rooms SHOULD be created equal. A studio control room is a very different environment from a home entertainment room. In this regard, it's the application which reigns king. In a control room, we want to hear every detail of every track tweak in order to make good decisions. In the home, we just want to enjoy the results, and that's a different thing. Of course, it depends upon what the client wants.
That reminds me, many years ago, I did a lot of recording in a room called the "Queen's Room". (This has nothing to do with Queen Elizabeth.) It was Baroque/Classical, with plastered white-painted walls and ceiling, gold gilt trim, and (I think) tongue-and-groove wood floor. You get the idea. It seated about 60-70 people. It was nearly the perfect venue for a string quintet or solo flute with piano, but a chamber orchestra or brass quintet overpowered it.
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It actually measured pretty badly. The only spot I could get decent measurements were with the speakers in places that weren't realistic listening positions (i.e., very far apart sacrificing all sound staging).
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