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In Reply to: RE: Quite the Listening Room! posted by The Dill on September 01, 2014 at 05:43:13
Hi. I am the owner of the house. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me at rlapporte@yahoo.com. Thanks.
Rob
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"It was originally designed by Rives Audio, but to be quite honest...it was pretty bad form an acoustical standpoint."
What does this mean?
The room was abysmal. No effective diffusion or bass trapping, sound was muddy. I think I would have been better plopping the equipment into any random finished basement or family room. Now, many dollars later, it sounds quite nice. The speakers overwhelm it a bit, and it actually sounded better when I had Altairs. That being said, my next room will be bigger and I'm very psyched to get the Arrakis in there.
Interesting. I'm sure when they walked out of that room it measured as it should. More definitive proof that when it comes to engaging sound, you cant measure everything.
I would say that most professionally installed AV rooms I've been in, sounded lifeless. Mostly it's the decay and presence (as in the presence of the recording hall/studio) isn't "right." I always blamed it on the designers desire to make each listening seat "flat". I'm sure they measure perfectly, but they dampen the micro cues that make the performance sound real.
I haven't been in a lot of recording studios but I'm certain that the "sound" engineer/designer are going for is also very different from the 2 channel audiophile. Concluding that both the market for designing 2 channel audiophile type rooms and the number of designers that can do that correctly is very, very small.
Hey Lokie, I understand what you're saying. Most "professionally" installed AV rooms in homes are way too dead. This is because most "professional" home theater designers/installers don't have a clue about acoustics or psychoacoustics. "Deader is better" seems to be their motto. If you said "small compared to the wavelength", I'd wager that most of them would give you a blank stare.
Obviously, I can't comment on Rob's room, since I know nothing about it other than a couple of pics. But from those pics, it does seem to have a good mix of absorption and diffusion. And, he likes it - and that's what's important.
A really good designer, one who actually knows what they're doing, can give you a room that's live, dead, or anywhere in between. It's also important to know that not all listening rooms SHOULD be created equal. A studio control room is a very different environment from a home entertainment room. In this regard, it's the application which reigns king. In a control room, we want to hear every detail of every track tweak in order to make good decisions. In the home, we just want to enjoy the results, and that's a different thing. Of course, it depends upon what the client wants.
That reminds me, many years ago, I did a lot of recording in a room called the "Queen's Room". (This has nothing to do with Queen Elizabeth.) It was Baroque/Classical, with plastered white-painted walls and ceiling, gold gilt trim, and (I think) tongue-and-groove wood floor. You get the idea. It seated about 60-70 people. It was nearly the perfect venue for a string quintet or solo flute with piano, but a chamber orchestra or brass quintet overpowered it.
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It actually measured pretty badly. The only spot I could get decent measurements were with the speakers in places that weren't realistic listening positions (i.e., very far apart sacrificing all sound staging).
Hey Rob, Texas is a big place. Where are you moving to? If you're coming to the DFW area, I'll bring the beer and ribs. :)
You might want to keep in mind that an old cohort of mine, Russ Berger, is one of the top studio designers around, and the company is just three miles from my house. He and Richard Schrag can design a room for you that'll knock your socks off. See www.rbdg.com.
Welcome to Texas!
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LOL, I'm going to hold you to the beer and ribs because we happen to be moving to the DFW area. Soutlake to be exact. Thanks so much for the suggestion. If I have any questions, I'll give Russ a call.
Regards
to live. Lots of upscale shops/restaurants in the town centre, 30 minutes from downtown Ft. Worth (a great area) and 30 minutes from North Dallas/Addison/Shops at Legacy, etc.., where one might find good food and drink as well.
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Rob has things well in hand but probably appreciates your suggestion. Between work and family he stays very busy.
Brian
So much music, so little time!
Great room Rob. Do you expect to build a similar room in Texas?
The room will be bigger. Roughly 21 x 31 x 11. Still deciding on decor and treatments. I wanted to build it out of concrete with Ecoblocks but my builder is unable or unwilling. Will have to use multiple layers of sheetrock with Green Glue instead
Maybe use mesquite instead of walnut? Oh, before I forget ... be sure to bring your own water with you. We have none to spare.
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