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In Reply to: RE: Yes but....... posted by tomservo on August 21, 2014 at 14:41:37
Ha! That's good! :)
Yeah, as I've said before, I'm a big fan of Richard Heyser. He quantified and explained things in such a way as to make it obvious and understandable. I'm also a big fan of Michael Gerzon. He really "got" the whole 3D recording thingy, and knew what the limitations of recording are. I'm sad that he passed away so young, and didn't get to achieve his full potential and vision.
With regard to recording, using a measurement mic and going to a mono track, etc., yup, been there, done that. 1974 was my first time. B&K 4133 or 4135 or such, going into a modified Studer A80 at 30 ips. Those were the days - experiment 'til the cows come home! :)
And certainly, we can be fooled into believing a recording is "just like" the real thing, right up until we hear the real thing. Remember the old AR drumset demo back in the 70s, where they had a drummer ostensibly playing, but what we were hearing was actually a recording? That was cool, and it played with our hearing and sight senses! As a specially produced sound track, it was very convincing, especially with the visual aspect. I've always wondered if we'd have been as convinced if they didn't have the drummer. (And, yes, I've seen the videos which you often link to.)
Nevertheless, given that a microphone picks up an instrument's sound at only one point, and the loudspeaker reproduces only the sound from that point, we don't get a true reproduction of the instrument in a room, even if great efforts were made to make it sound real. The illusion is shattered as soon as the real instrument is played live in the room.
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To be clear, the problem(s) are several fold. You mention drums, well the peak levels one finds from a drum set are WAY beyond home loudspeakers and the dynamic range beyond analogue tape for that matter.
The reason I suggest recording in mono is that our hearing via two ears creates the image of one point in space while one can’t capture a live stereo image realistically using spaced microphones.
Binaural recordings may be the closest and reminds one of a real space but can’t capture space realistically.
A pair of conventional hifi loudspeakers generally do not reproduce that “image” even when captured and this can be heard by playing a mono (same to both channels) signal. Ideally one only hears the center phantom but most / nearly all hifi speakers produce a phantom and an obvious right and left source as well which is spatial contamination.
If you have headphones on your computer, try a couple short recordings made with a microphone invention that samples in a different way. This is a product that isn’t ready for market yet but shows promise.
See if these don’t sound more like ‘real” than usual. They are not compressed so you may have to raise the level some.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8208qvei00qxzxz/parade%20section3.wav
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jq5n4gj4mpptjpn/TrainStart.wav
https://www.dropbox.com/s/c3c0si0r7giud2w/Johns%20bbqTrack%2004.wav
Tom Danley
Danley Sound Labs
Don't even get me started about drums!!!
Here's my "family room".
I LOVE my kids!
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