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In Reply to: RE: High End Audio Does Not Exist, we have a new prophet posted by Peter Breuninger on April 18, 2014 at 12:25:07
...of High End, there will never be such a thing. That renders the argument moot and somewhat silly.
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Perfection is not the point, is false audio formats.
The most expensive turntable in the world is the Clear Audio Statement: $185,000.00 with the Goldfinger cartridge.
As a machine I think it is very close to perfection but it cannot eliminate the noise on vinyl records that would be reproduced even better than a used commercial turntable of less than a $40.00
This is absurd!
“High End” CD/SACD players or DACs costing tens of thousands of dollars and with the last of technology, could be also close to perfection as machines but cannot restore the inexistent information of the 16 bit digital Compact Disc, four times less than the 24 bit formats and even with a Rubidium Clock, they cannot eliminate or even reduce Jitter originally recorded on the digital master tapes.
This is another absurd!
There is not noise and time base errors in the original analog master tapes that are not perfect either, but currently audio formats are far away of them.
So the terms AnoiseLog Vinyl and DiJitter Audio are precise and correct.
Your recapitulation (thanks, but I fully grasped what was said) is all about imperfection. Calling that a different name (false audio formats) does not change the gist of the complaint. The formats are false because they are not perfect. Oh my, welcome to reality, where nothing is perfect. Sorry if I seem a stubborn contrarian, but I think sublime music reproduction is achievable via analog and digital. Let's call that 'high end'.
Many things are reified by labels. What makes 'high end audio' off limits to such categorization? It is what it is - an abstract concept. What constitutes 'high end' has changed during my lifetime - it has evolved.
As I said (my turn to recapitulate) before, absolute perfection is not possible. Declaring the abstract construct of 'high end' false as a concrete entity because of imperfection is moot (I think we're already aware of the fact that we are arguing over a label) and silly (harping about imperfection in the real world is pointless). Cheer up and enjoy the marvels which are available today.
High end exists and it's in good health. Vinyl is still with us and digital formats have remarkable capabilities. Listening to music via either medium gets me high - there is a neuro-chemical basis of addiction to music, at least, for many of us. So, there's another 'high end' for you. Complain all you want, but you only deny it for yourself. It still exists for me and will persist in spite of your protests.
Maybe I'm kidding myself, but I've heard high end vinyl rigs and they handled some of the surface noise better than lesser setups. In 'other' respects, they positively blew away lesser setups (like mine). If sampled audio disturbs you so much, you better not look into what happens to sound inside your brain.
Thanks for your comments.
Hi End Audio is a commercial name that tries to influence people to think that in this concept, it is the best possible audio quality over any other and for that reason, the cost is from high to ultra high.
Vinyl with noise and digital audio with limitations and jitter cannot be high quality audio.
So if there is not true high quality in the formats, high end audio is a false concept.
This is another way to see that and I think this is not very difficult to understand.
I wrote before about the original analog master tapes and I received a few days ago an email from Elusive Disc (I am a client of them) with the new things and a very interesting add about new reel to reel tapes.
Here are the links:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?shva=1#inbox/1456c8ed862828c5
http://www.elusivedisc.com/Groove-Note-180g/products/253/
http://www.elusivedisc.com/Jacintha-Heres-To-Ben-A-Vocal-Tribute-To-Ben-Webster-Master-Quality-Reel-To-Reel-Tape/productinfo/GRVRR1001/
Let me tell you that Jacintha’s recording was sold out in less than 24 hours.
I think as many other people with all the imperfections of the reel tapes, that these recordings are far superior to any other analog and digital formats of today.
The dream of most audiophiles is to have a true replica of the original master tapes but at $600.00 each is not affordable and this is because the production of a few copies has to being costly and at this time making hundreds of that format is absolutely impractical. Only few people have open reel recorders with 2 tracks and at 15 ips.
I respect your opinion, but do not share.
Saludos
> As a machine I think it is very close to perfection but it cannot eliminate the noise on vinyl records that would be reproduced even better than a used commercial turntable of less than a $40.00 <
So "Higher" End exists, but "High" end does not? In other words, we can achieve "better" but not "great" (or pick your top-level adjective)?
Works for me!
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