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One of my pet peeves is that websites MUST always be changed or improved.What's wrong with a site that works just fine? The new Audiogon seems a mess to me. Why did Stereophile have to change its style? It, too, seemed just fine. Actually, the old Stereophile style was classy. The new one just looks like another glossy magazine.
Does the New York Times change its masthead?
Does Ferrari change its badge? Rolls-Royce?
Just asking.
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Although I imagine many would think the changes to be rather subtle and insignificant, I don't find it nearly as easy or fun to read.
Whats wrong with change? If it wasn't for change we would all be listening to those old horrid sounding receivers.
A supposed improvement by combining three audio components into one (preamp, power amp and tuner).
Before Receivers we had tubed preamps and tubed power amps, still the best in my humble opinion. New is NOT always better, in fact it is usually worse, sometimes much worse as is the case of the dreaded Receiver.
Change that actually improve things is good. Change for changes sake or that degrades performance is bad.
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
Well at least for this place.
As others have commented, here classic reigns supreme for many.
And as others commented... Most in this hobby are rather closely nit. Dont screw with us.
On the notion of search, I wish I could find that great comedic thread Richardbassnut wrote about a 400B being shoved up a guys ass. It was HiLarious. Wrote in response to a problem sales deals OP. I want to reread it for a giggle and show a coworker but be damned if I can find it. Oh well, just a fun example. Only so much to bookmark.
Yeah KISS technique it and be happy.
Maybe some of us are 'Arch Conservatives'. I dont like to move house, change jobs, read Newsweek instead of Time or drink coffee in a cup other than the one with my name on it. I also get into the third compartment from the rear of the subway.
But I like the new looks of Stereophile.
Happy New Year
Bill
"The nature of life is to change and to grow. Where there is no change, it is just like the condition of death."
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
People have been fanatically clamoring for "change", as if it somehow meant certain improvement...........
Too often, people want change, they get change, and then end up *stunned* over the change being something grossly different from what they anticipated.
So whenever you scream for change, careful what you wish for....... The change might turn out to be for the worse.
"So whenever you scream for change, careful what you wish for....... The change might turn out to be for the worse."
Yeah, like in 2008...
If it ain't broke.....
...but, lots of new stuff is better than what it replaces. I am sure I will get used to the new Audiogon, once they get it to work.
Usually, the degradation of a product occurs when somebody tries to cut costs.
I really liked the former HiFi+ better, smaller size, better pictures, good articles, British flavor;
I bet the guy who designed the 68/69 Camaro feels pretty good that after more than 40 years of listening to their accountants, GM says "to hell with what it costs," and brings back one of the coolest cars ever...
Sometimes, 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' needs to be re-written as 'if it ain't fixed, you're broke'.
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Editor, Hi-Fi Plus magazine, Lun-duhnn, Ingerland, innit
Alan, I agree with you because I have seen it happen, IMO because of our passion to "have it all, at the cheapest possible price." Too often, a business plan that offers a quality product at a fair price (that allows for continued production and a bit of profit to keep things going) is not sustainable because either the consumers want to pay less, competition jumps in to offer a similar (but maybe not equal) product at a lower price, or the shareholders (or owners) want higher profit that could come from selling more (even if it means giving up their unique "niche" in favor of a more global product). In the cast of HiFi+, I was happy to (and did) pay the higher price (about twice of most magazines) simply because I enjoyed reading it, appreciated the quality of production, and liked experiencing the "British" perspective. I still read it, and like it, but I liked it better before, for its uniqueness.
and I, for one, quite appreciate it.
all the best,
mrh
Implemented new changes.
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"A fool and his money are soon parted." --- Thomas Tusser
From my experience most non-improvement business changes involve hiring fresh out of school whiz bangs/relatives/sex partners (mix and match as you wish) and giving them too much free reign.
...why are we resistant to change? Change is permanent; we need to get used to it.
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If wheels are ever redesigned to be square be afraid, very afraid. Round works and wheels have stayed round since they were invented. What we are saying is stay with what works.
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
No. 1: New Coke
In the 1970s and early 80s, Coke began to face stiff competition from other soft drink producers. To remain in the number one spot, Coke executives decided to cease production on the classic cola in favor of New Coke. The public was outraged, and Coca-Cola was forced to re-launch its original formula almost immediately. Lesson learned -- don't mess with success.
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Waaaaaah.
Well, did the New York Times replace its masthead? Ferrari? Rolls-Royce?
Does The New Yorker look appreciably different from what it looked like 30 yrs. ago?
I liked Stereophile's old style. It reminded me of HFN/RR in its glory days. Look at HFN/RR now: a really dumbed down presentation.
All I'm saying is that new is not necessarily improved.
I was actually looking forward to the update ... until I had a brief preview of what is to come. I hate to admit it, but I was not very impressed with what I saw, and that had nothing to do with the slow load times due to the update ... that I understand.
I was going to put an LP up for auction on Audiogon but I definetly will wait for the new site to settle down before wasting my money. I did however post it on the AA classifieds ... maybe I will not have to bother with Audiogon!
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That's it. Another brand of detergent.
I guess it has been about 40-50 years.
the problem with getting old.
It's like re-arranging the food in the grocery store. Let's move the produce to the other side this week. Did they add more varieties of potatoes?
Did they improve the content of what we're reading about? So agree with you: why not give us more meat?
"In this land right now, some are insane and they're in charge. To hell with poverty, we'll get drunk on cheap wine."
Ockham's razor(the law of parsimony, economy or succinctness), is a principle that generally recommends that, from among competing hypotheses, selecting the one that makes the fewest new assumptions usually provides the correct one, and that the simplest explanation will be the most plausible.
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Because nobody can make any money if no "improvements" are made.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
--Zen Proverb
the forums were only available in catagories, not daily, hopefully I just missed it.
it was great, easy to read and FAST to load.
It is not the original original, but they put AMG back online quite a while ago...probably lots of complaints after the lame Rovi. Agree the original was pretty good, but it probably didn't have enough marketing features for advertisers. Still AMG uses that lousy search engine they degraded to a few years ago.
"Does the New York Times change its masthead?
Does Ferrari change its badge? Rolls-Royce?"
They change body styles all the time. Logo's and badges less often, but they change, too.
While I think change for the sake of change is stupid, it seems to happen all around us!
"Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad"
What were they doing with Acrobat, Autocad, Excel, Nokia phones and the PVL electronic ignition - to name but a few.
If it ain't broke - don't fix it dammit !
Rocky Raccoon I agree completely the old Stereophile and Audiogon websites were great, now they are both terrible.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Why do so many improvements look and work worse than the original? Is this perhaps a new Murphy's law for the internet?
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
Are you kidding? Audiogon needed to by updated very badly. The forum was awful. Totally outdated. Now I see that only the classifieds section has been changed and the forums remain stuck in the format of something from the early 1990s internet. Ridiculous.
For the record, this forum is extremely outdated, too, but at least you can post pictures! I don't understand why Audio Asylum and Audiogon don't just go to something like VBulletin and be done with it.
We've had this conversation many times. The majority doesn't want any change. Even little changes meet resistance.
However, if you prefer a vBulletin like UI, we do have one. About 15% of our users must prefer it as that's what our web logs tell me.
You can set it as your default view either at the bottom of the page or in your Profile.
-Rod
Since this site is "optimised for 640x480 using ALynx, a ASCII-Web-Browser for Amiga,(AmiTCP | MLink | AS225), ported from Lynx version 2.4-FM."
...will be the day I quit contributing! Seriously, I hate most Internet forums tha can't be viewed like AA's classic view. As always, thanks for all you do...
marc g. - audiophile by day, music lover by night
Don't like the bulletin look. For some reason that's what I get when I check the site from my work computer even though that is not that often. At home it is my normal " old" site:-)
Thanks, Bob.
If no default view cookie is set, the system defaults to the ethreads view, that's why.
-Rod
I like the layout of Audio Asylum (in the Classic View) better than any forum I visit. It is so easy to see which posts I have read and which ones I have not as the links are turned from blue to purple. Newer forums DO NOT have this feature.
Long live the Classic View and I wish every other forum would adopt this older better way to read!
"Happy Listening,
Teresa."
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that they need to justify assigning busywork to staff/employees fixing and improving things that really don't need it.
"Staff"..."employees"... somehow I think that might warrant a snicker or two amongst The Bored
... snicker.
Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...
ha!
Totally agree.
Bob
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Actually, it wouldn't hurt if 6moons would update his home page. At least change 'revolve' to 'rotate'. ;)
I'm just sayin'.
I always thought it was the best looking site around (ignoring all the clutter she had nothing to do with).
And, young people get bored easily.
Note that a post in response is preferred.
Warmest
Timothy Bailey
The Skyptical Mensurer and Audio Scrounger
And gladly would he learn and gladly teach - Chaucer. ;-)!
'Still not saluting.'
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