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In Reply to: Drawing The Line Between The Quality Of The Recording Versus Your System posted by Robertc88 on May 2, 2007 at 09:12:55:
...in determining whether you are really a music lover or an audiophile. You can say "Enjoy the music" all you want but that's what it comes down to IMO. Admittedly though, some people can wear both hats. Please excuse me while I duck into my foxhole..."You can't handle the truth." Col. Nathan R. Jessep in "A Few Good Men"
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...in determining whether you are really a music lover or an audiophile. You can say "Enjoy the music" all you want but that's what it comes down to IMO. Admittedly though, some people can wear both hats. Please excuse me while I duck into my foxhole...Am not really sure I get the point.
Are you saying than a real music lover can be identified by a willingness to sit in front of a stereo that sounds bad?
I think many music lovers who are audiophiles go out of their way to chose a system that allows the greatest opportunity to hear and enjoy music of interest without having to suffer with bad sound.
I'm missing your point on the usefullness of bad recordings?
Give me rhythm or give me death!
What speakers and amps perhaps may work for digital may not for vinyl and what CD player may work for classical music on the specific format may not work as well with jazz or rock, so on and so forth.Perhaps it may be easier to obtain a good all around system that I may think.
BTW, I do have pre and power amps tube (Rogue) and SS (Luxman), several CD players, and different sets of speakers.
I enjoy listening to all recordings in different genres and in different formats. Suffering with bad sound is I'm sure what most audiophiles try to avoid! :)
Perhaps it may be easier to obtain a good all around system that I may think.I don't think so. I agree but the kinds of comprises you suggest, whole music genres and audio formats is too extreme to be useful at all. But for sure if someone wants to focus in on a band, a type of venue or recording quality and define a systems performance around such a narrow standard then they probably can get better (per this narrow definition) performance. But this is at the expense of different recording qualities and musical style.
I kind of doubt the cost effectiveness of having multiple high quality systems around for different kinds of music. I'd like to think having all the investment in a single system would be the way to go.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
Sometimes a recording isn't great even though the music is. I have some OLD Louis Armstrong like that. I would think that a music lover would listen anyway while just an audiophile would shy away because it does not show off the system.I guess I'm in both camps, good and bad.
The good; I have many bad recordings that I still listen to and even some MP3 onto disc only because it's the only format that happens to have certain musical pieces.
The bad; I usually don't like to play those things when folks are over because it sounds odd.
One interesting note; I found that a speaker with a real flat response actually sounds better than the ones which are tweaked with bumps in the bass and treble on many of the bad recordings. I expected the opposite. I wonder if it's the midrange that really comes into play with those old recordings which are severely rolled off on either end.
Perhaps we need to make categories of "bad". I'll stop here because this is can of worms.
Bill
Perhaps we need to make categories of "bad". I'll stop here because this is can of worms.No it's a great point! It should not be a can of worms.
I have a hard time correlating "bad sound" with bad recordings. A recording can be very good, or sound very good, by audiophile standards and still sound bad to me - say bag pipes, a singer who's voice I can't stand, excessive production, etc.
On the other hand most recordings are bad by audiophile standards yet to me, most of them, sound pretty good to me ears. Of course I can judge the quality of the recording but I think this should not correlate with how I judge the sound of the recording.
How music is produced onto a recording is going to be obvious at playback but to my ears is only one of several factors that determines how it sounds as well as if it sounds good or bad.
As audiophiles we have no control over recording or music quality. What we have control over is sound quality.
Give me rhythm or give me death!
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