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In Reply to: Is it wise to Mix-n-match caps to achieve a certain sound? posted by howard on March 16, 2005 at 09:39:53:
...IIRC, by Richard Marsh and Walt Jung established that different capacitor designs and materials were more or less effective at storing and releasing energy, the job of a capacitor - and affecting sound quality. Since then, many exotic and expensive capacitors have come on the market. Many high end manufacturers listen to various brands in order to select the ones they will use in their products to achieve the sound they are after.Mixing different capacitor brands is no different than using different brands of electronics, like a preamp and amp from two different manufacturers.
Don't believe what the naysayers tell you about there being no capacitor sound. Next they'll have you thinking all cables sound the same and from there it's all amps and CD players. They must all own Bose Wave systems ;-)
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Wow!!My pre-amp comes with a choice of output caps and a switch to choose between them. Not come across anyone yet who can't tell the difference. (its a Decware ZTPRE if anyone wants to know - not the best, not the worst...works for me.)
If there was really no difference one wonders why the maker went to the trouble of giving you the choice (actually I wonder that anyway - one sounds good - the other not).
There is no question in my mind capacitors operate differently and some are better than others. But the question is if you can hear it or not. This whole discussion is moot, Howard should try it and see if he can hear it.If saying I cannot hear it in blind tests makes me a naysayer, then I is he.
I have one bottle of audiophile air left I would like to sell you. Only $450 and it will make your system sound great! Science has proven without question that air is key to sound wave transmission.
I dont agree with everything you say on it but hey that's my opinion.BTW volume measured in SI unit is the litres, not liters -isnt that what cat's make ?
The BBC did a lot of reseach on "the sound of components" in the 60's
and from that generated their specifications for equipment that they used and manufactures had to meet on tendering.
BTW volume measured in SI unit is the litres, not litersThanks for the comments. I don't get the text above.
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Someone who tells you he can't see your imaginary friend. You guys are really children.
...don't list their equipment and systems in their profiles like everyone else. What are they hiding?Just asking.
I've noticed that most yaysayers, at least the most virulent (those that insist that they can hear the set screws in a connector or hear the difference between a 12 foot and 11 foot version of the same cable) usually include a resume with each post. Somethiong like huge goNAD amps, Krell this, Nordost that. etc..Well here's mine
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2380
The picture was taken prior to my finishing the power supply and level meters.
> I've noticed that most yaysayers,>You mean the "normal audiophiles"...
> at least the most virulent (those that insist that they can hear the set screws in a connector or hear the difference between a 12 foot and 11 foot version of the same cable) usually include a resume with each post. Somethiong like huge goNAD amps, Krell this, Nordost that. etc..>
Wow, you negative guys that won't list your systems in your profile seem to all have one thing in common - a huge inferiority complex.
None of us are here at AA to judge any of you or make you feel bad - we just want to help you get more enjoyment out of your music and your hobby. It's supposed to be fun!
We're here to laugh at the boobs who believe in the Intelligent Chip, the suckers who spent $10,000 on interconnects and $4,000 on speaker cables, as well as those who shelled out many kilodollars for SET amps or tube OTL's. (I used to suffer from tube nostalgia, but rebuilding a Sherwood S-5500 and a VM-1448 has knocked most of that out of me.)That said, we are also here to discuss phono cartridges, to envy guys with VPI turntables with SME arms and Koetsu cartridges. We also envy the fellows with dedicated listening rooms, Linkwitz Orions or Joseph Pearls. We like to drool over gallery photos of big electrostats. In other words, I'm here because Vinyl and Speakers contain some useful information. Maybe Tweaks too, but you have to dig through a lot of dreck to find it.
By the way, my system is listed.
"You mean the "normal audiophiles"... 'No, I mean those that feel they need to feed their ego by listing magabuck equipment. I've looked at the pictures in the inmate gallery too. I am impressed with a lot of them, very impressed. But a lot of those people are not listing their equipment with each post like it's a mantra. And them there are those who claim to hear every little difference in capacitors (BS), and you have no idea what they have in terms of equipment (could be B{l}o{w}se, who really knows). Naysayers are "normal" audiophiles too, we just want verification - whereas yaysayers it seems will believe most advertising BS, not matter how much it violates the known laws of the universe.
"Wow, you negative guys that won't list your systems in your profile seem to all have one thing in common - a huge inferiority complex."
The only person I feel inferior to in "Long Dong Silver". My system is listed as you can see, not here though - too much trouble.
"None of us are here at AA to judge any of you or make you feel bad - we just want to help you get more enjoyment out of your music and your hobby. It's supposed to be fun!"
It seems that that view is not widely held buy a particular moderator who consistently uses personnal attacks to make a point.
...than can be dealt with in an Audio Asylum.> The only person I feel inferior to in "Long Dong Silver".>
Numerous excellent reasons, chief among which, as noted below, is a disinterest in willy-waving, like stating one is an ex-TAS reviewer. Saying that either causes one to think "Wow, that's pretty neat, he must really know what he's talking about," or "Hmm, I wonder whether he's not there anymore because of incompetence."
It also keeps people from making cheap shots based on one's equipment, and it disturbs people in equal measure when they can't see what you have, so they cannot sit and gloat over how much better their systems are and judge you based on this tiny aspect alone. People hate it when they can't put you in a neat box right away. Also, see willy-waving point above.
"Numerous excellent reasons, chief among which, as noted below, is a disinterest in willy-waving, like stating one is an ex-TAS reviewer."I personally find "willy waving" amusing at times, but I don't see the point of being offended over such behavior...
If people think expensive polished stones or magic jelly beans improve the sound of their system, it's *their* system. And *their* money. No reason to go crazy over it.
LOL
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"Nature loves to hide."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
Most of the naysayers though use the same tactics, only in reverse ;~), the underlying current in some of the naysayers arguments seems to be an attempt to justify why so little money has been invested in their audio equipment.
Music making the painting, recording it the photograph
Very true. Countless folks brag abouot their $300 XYZ 2000 that sounds just as good as their buddies' $3K whatever. They have a certain stubborness that refuses to let them hear differences simply because if they do hear them, they're brushed off as insignificant or a function of the room/etc.
...when I read a negative post, particularly "all _X__ sound the same", I sometimes go to the poster's profile out of curiosity to see what he's listening to and get some perspective on his opinion. When the naysayer's equipment isn't listed, and I mention it, I get responses like "willy-waving" or "I don't want to engage in mine's bigger than yours", etc. However, I have never seen any posts here that belittle anyone because of their equipment.So I have to assume it's just an excuse.
Are the naysayers merely projecting their need to feel superior on the rest of us?
"However, I have never seen any posts here that belittle anyone because of their equipment."You little know! In fact, it's a standard line of attack.
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"Nature loves to hide."
---Heraclitus of Ephesus (trans. Wheelwright)
What with all the constant updating to buy the latest improved version of everything.If you want to know what I use, I have simple systems in different rooms, Harbeth Compact 7 speakers, Muse 160 amp (also use a Carver AV-705x designed by Jim Croft, not Bob Carver, which, if anything, is a little better than the Muse in the bass, and is definetly quieter), Bryston BP-20 preamp (like the BP-25 but without remote), and Meridian 508.24 cd player. Mogami speaker cable, $40 interconnects made by a local pro audio company and chosen because I used to have an AI M3a preamp that benefitted from the extra shielding. All chosen by listening because I imagined they sounded better than other stuff. In fact, the Meridian 508.24 was the first cd player I was completely satisfied with. In my other room I have slightly smaller Harbeth HL-K6 speakers (discontinued, but they have a little bit smoother frequency response than the C7's), a Carver AV-705x amp, CJ PF1 preamp and either a Meridian 506 or a stock Pioneer 563a dvd player as cd player. I think I have some Kimher Silver Streak and Audioquest cables in there, certainly the speaker cable is an old set of AQ Crystal 2. I have an inexpensive VPI turntable too, but I hardly ever use it.
Sometimes, different things sound different to me, but I know when I wouldn't be able to tell them apart blind.
The only tweak I've ever used was to carefully place a set of roller blade wheels on the top of a Japanese cd player. Really eliminated the nasty digital sound. My imaginary friend agreed with me completely.
See link below.There's a lot of worthwhile stuff in there, mixed with some completely unsubstantiated claims. Still, it's an interesting read.
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