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In Reply to: Re: Look here for one, their are 2 thu 70 posted by Joe II-V on November 12, 2003 at 00:30:56:
Here's a nice article with Bob Ludwig's own description of what went into the 1999 HDCD remastering of Roxy Music's Avalon, that Bill claims to have been involved in:Amazingly enough, there is no mention of having the work farmed out to other mastering facilities and no mention of Bill or Bandstand Productions whatsoever. So, the only possible conclusion here is that one of these people is a bald-faced liar. I have to wonder what Mr. Ludwig would make of Bill's claims?
-Joe.
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Original mixing, I was there. 80's dude. I did not participate in the remaster, or neither was it ever said by me on roxy music, I touched a single knob. I was there and saw.
Re read my old posty, and see the silliness of your misguided followup.
Doing some work...was that I was present, amking recommendations. I was not engineering the album...although I have a safety master dat. I have reworked it for me, but I NEVER said I reworked it, rather, I was doing some work..I was present. You guys have a conjecture that simply sucks ass...putting words and phrases together wrong..and making up wild tales.Children I say....where is your tire swing and tree house now?
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> > Original mixing, I was there. 80's dude.How silly of me, and I thought the original post ( here ) was referring to the 1999 re-issue. It's now blindingly obvious that what you meant by:
> > I did some work on that album, but their could have been many different "houses" working on it. < <
was that you were sitting in the mixing booth with Brian and the lads, enjoying a smoke and mixing down one of the more legendary production and mastering jobs in history. Words can't explain how humble you must be to not want to claim any public credit for that work by steadfastly refusing to have your name appear anywhere in the credits.
> > Doing some work...was that I was present, amking recommendations. I was not engineering the album...although I have a safety master dat < <
Of course you were, Bill. I can see it all now: Bill Roberts, sitting in the Studio behind Brian Ferry, Bob Clearmountain and Rhett Davis, offering gentle words of encouragement and politely, but firmly correcting any slight mistakes.
However, Bill, you are being far too modest, for when you stated "I had a safety master DAT" , you neglected to mention that you also have posession of a Time Machine, as DAT did not exist in 1982 when Avalon was recorded and mixed. Now come on, Bill, I know you're as modest as they come, but won't you tell us a little about how you managed to spirit a DAT machine back in time from 1984 to 1982 (the first prototype wasn't available until 1983 and samples were not made available to anyone outside Sony before 1984))?
I just have one final question for the great Mastering Engineer amongst us:
Who, exactly, do you think you are fooling?
-Joe.
"Original mixing, I was there. 80's dude."Original mixing? Since Avalon was released in May, 1982, and in your Bio at ETM you wrote, " In 1981 it was time to get a real job. I worked as manager trainee at Radio Shack, and went on to manage a store in Florida. " I'm left curious as to how you were able to go from being a trainee at Radio Shack and managing a store in Florida, all the way to "touching a knob, making recommendations, and being there and saw" at the Avalon mastering sessions. Pretty damn impressive for a Radio Shack trainee to be called upon to help master Avalon.
eott
First RBP posted this in a thread about the remastered Avalon ..."I did some work on that album, but their could have been many different "houses" working on it."
Now, RBP says ...
"I did not participate in the remaster, or neither was it ever said by me on roxy music,"
Funny, after reading your post saying "I did some work on that album," it's quite evident that you most certainly did say you participated in it's remastering. Why don't you clear up the confusion by telling us which of those two statements are a lie.
"I touched a single knob. I was there and saw."
And I'm sure I know just what knob you were touching.
"You guys have a conjecture that simply sucks ass...putting words and phrases together wrong..and making up wild tales."Hardly, RBP. Why in the world would anybody feel the need to make up "wild tales," when you do it so well yourself?
Oh what a tangled web we weave ......
eott
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