In Reply to: More HE2002 pix at.... posted by Ubiquitous Skittercat ;,,,~ on June 11, 2002 at 14:11:27:
On a given system he talks how about the electronics sound and how the speakers sound. How can you separate out the components when listening to a system you are not familiar with and only for a short period of time? How can you know which component contributes to which aspect of the sound?
Like everyone else I appreciate the time and effort to post the picks but how are we supposed to take the commentary seriously?
Maybe I am missing something.
> > Maybe I am missing something. < <
Just the opposite, old man. It's the author who's missing something. Any semblance of common sense, for starters. All you did was point it out.
Maybe the room acoustics were not ideal? Hard to believe so many nice systems sounded less than ideal. That being said, I heard a ~$70,000 system at a dealer once that sounded masked in a way. No air, lack of HF's, bass muddiness. but the room was not treated well, either. Makes you wonder why they even bother??
I agree about the commentary and did you notice that he is a man who is obviously biased against tube electronics? All he could say about any of the tube setups was that they were "colored". Oh well, I love the photos!
In addition to the other reply, if the Swifts sound pretty good, it's a pretty good bet nothing in that system sounds awful. (I realize this is not a truism, as there could be cancelling errors, but that's not too likely....)
Shows are fun events to look at mass quantities of the stuff, hear new music, people watch and socialize, so I agree they're not to be taken that seriously. However, it is revealing of a presenter's or company's nature to see how they organize and handle the demo of their products. And you might get to see Thom Holman putting a competitve product in an unflattering (or very revealing) demo situation....
For example, the Pipedreams room looked like a really big college dorm room: backpacks leaning against the side wall and a very groggy employee splayed on the couch (who could blame him - just go to the real hotel room for a nap) and a general feeling of clutter, which was not helped by what I considered the ungainly appearance of the speakers themselves.
Would you ever see something like that in the Wilson room? I'd be surprised.
Now, maybe this should have no bearing on how I perceived the actual sound quality, but I'm quite a subjective creature...I can't swear it didn't affect my enjoyment of the sound at Pipedreams.
- This signature is monophonic -
I think there is a big difference between saying something like "The bass was a little flabby" and "The bass was a little flappy due to the amp".
If the writer thinks the bass was flabby he is surely entitled to that experience.
The problem lies in presenting the cause of the flabbiness. We all know how important the room is and how difficult show conditions can be. My comment was directed at making a diagnosis.
> > > ...The problem lies in presenting the cause of the flabbiness. We all know how important the room is and how difficult show conditions can be. My comment was directed at making a diagnosis. < < <
100% agreed, though who is to REALLY know why said bass was "flabby". Maybe the CD player, maybe the cables, maybe a bad room, etc etc etc. As i stated in my show "Final Feelings" at http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hifi2002/ it is, IMHO, incorrect to comment on the sound at shows as a professional reviewer. If this was my first or fifth show, maybe i would be allowed to make such an immature mistake, though after attending 35+ shows there are things that are painfully obvious. Have heard great gear sound lousy more than i care to mention. Was it the room? The cables? The amplifier? The tubes used in the unit being defective? !?????????! Your guess is as good as mine. Of course great praise from sound at a show makes for wonderful tag lines in a manufacture's advertisement. Thanks, but no thanks.
Enjoy the Music,
Steven R. Rochlin
Look at your coverage still on your site. Years ago you used to give more than regurgitated specs, you gained your Web rep as being more than just another outlet of manufacturer advert. Now you not only don't live up to your rep, but now claim/brag about how more experienced you are and would never give an impression of one sounding better than another.
Pretty pictures do feed our interest, but be brave and give some audiophile/music lover evaluation. Dick Oshler (via your site) seems to be able to do a balanace between "show conditions" and "fine sound" explinations very nicely.
And anybody with any experience in refined audio, does not need to go to a show to understand in the "whole is the sum of the parts". So we can take input with a vast grain of salt.
But I can understand that running a business influences one to become more neutral than a commited hobbiest. Just don't brag when someone else has a web page that has pretty picturers and opinions, comes off like you are trying to deny your roots and engage in info monopoly.
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: