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In Reply to: Re: Ok, I get it.... posted by Fear3000 on January 25, 2001 at 05:10:31:
Two comments:1) Mind and imagination are not the same term. Mind is a more general term than imagination.
2) I have always agreed with the substance of your statement:
"Of course, Pat! If an individual perceives a difference, than in turn that difference becomes very real, not imagined as you claimed, whether it exists on a purely sonic level or not."
I have no idea why you 'imagine' I think otherwise. Indeed, this is integral to my position. You are not telling me anything new.
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"A dry soul is wisest and best."
--Heraclitus, trans. Wheelwright
Follow Ups:
> > Mind and imagination are not the same term. Mind is a more general term than imagination. < <If something occurs solely in one's mind, how is that not one's imagination at work? TIA
Best Wishes,
Felix
As I said, we have used the term to make a distinction between what is belongs to the human subject, this is precisely as a knowing and desiring subject, and the equipment (and environment).
Our external and somatic senses are not imagination.
Illusions are not imagination.
Expectations are not imagination.
Social pressures are not imagination, though internalized.
Habits are not imagination.
Moods are not imagination.
Emotions are not imagination.
Feelings are not imagination.
A predisposition to prefer what is louder is not imagination.
A predisposition to choose between different things is not imagination.
In some uses, intellect is not imagination.
And so on.Nevertheless, these are usually classed as mental. And, they can affect how we perceive high fidelity equipment and a lot of other things.
I have no wish to impose a particular philosophical psychology on you, such as that of Aristotle or Merleau-Ponty, but there are a whole host of functions and activities to be accounted for.
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"A dry soul is wisest and best."
--Heraclitus, trans. Wheelwright
> > snip < <It seems that your definition of imagination differs from those who read and understand English.
http://www.thesaurus.com/roget/IV/515.html
This should cover every mildly relevant example you posted.
You wrote:
"So, without more objective proof, the most probable explanation is that most of it is in the mind. So, yes, burn-in exists, but mostly in the mind."i·mag·i·na·tion (i-maje-na'shen) n.
1.The formation of a mental image of something that is neither perceived as real nor present to the senses.2.The mental image so formed.
I really do not like to argue semantics, Pat. Whether you meant to say something else, or chose your words improperly is only known to you. This is either a case of you failing to grasp the thrust of your own position, or perhaps you simply have not thought it through in enough detail.
Best Wishes,
Felix
I think Pat is trying to differentiate the term "imagination" and the phrase "in your mind" in that imagination is that which forms a new idea and "in your mind" is misinterpreting sensory information. I think his point lacks any pragmatic value for this discussion as both phrases have the same connotative meaning to 99.999% of the english speaking population of the world (hence the thesaurus entry). Like what was expressed earlier, it's fodder for the philosophers and not for the 'philes.Now I'm going to heat my tube amps up, laugh at philosophy, and writhe in my ignorance with a big shit-eating grin,
Tom §.
> > > > Our external and somatic senses are not imagination.
Illusions are not imagination.
Expectations are not imagination.
Social pressures are not imagination, though internalized.
Habits are not imagination.
Moods are not imagination.
Emotions are not imagination.
Feelings are not imagination.
A predisposition to prefer what is louder is not imagination.
A predisposition to choose between different things is not imagination.
In some uses, intellect is not imagination.
> >and yet imagination makes all those traits possible.
Without imagination, we are andriods.Adi
Our different cognitive and affective powers (this includes choice in my view) work together in different ways.
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"A dry soul is wisest and best."
--Heraclitus, trans. Wheelwright
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