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I've just received my first email from Warners and it appears that they're going to focus on vinyl. I'm afraid that vinyl to me is like the Emporer's new clothes. I just do not see it.Why would I wish to spend all that money and do all that cleaning in attempting to match the sound I can achieve from Hi Res discs that have been properly mixed and mastered.
Please Mr Warner, count me out.
Follow Ups:
mr.huffn&puffin sure has a high oPinion of his talents,pity he can't say the same of his cd's.
I can't comment on his DCC gold CDs as I didn't have acceptable CD playback back then and they are now out of print.What didn't you like about Steve Hoffman's DCC gold CDs?
"Music is love"
Teresa
I'd assumed that the remarks were a snide comment on my moniker. Perhaps I'm being overly sensitive.
Warner Bros -- "because sound matters": what a load of crap, because sound quality sure as hell doesn't matter to them.Here are examples of what "matters" to them:
WB on DVD-A: uses audio watermarking in the analog domain to poison the medium.
WB on DVD-V: uses 384kb/s or 448kb/s Dolby Digital and adds in dialog normalization to provide a compromised/handicapped audio presentation for the video.
WB on Blu-ray: uses 640kb/s Dolby Digital instead of DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby TrueHD or LPCM (which would cost them $0 because LPCM is FREE) on a 50GB disc having an available audio bandwidth of > 24Mb/s.
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nt
"David! You can KILL a man with a chopstick!" -Keith Charles, Six Feet Under
nt
After all, the KEKLBOT is the funniest thing on this forum.But these days he's outa ammo. With no new DVD-A releases this year and only one promised for Fall-- What can he talk about? DVD-A is pretty much dead. It's not good news
Hi.I go both 'extreme' ways - analogue with vinyls & digital with DVD-audio. I enjoy both bigtime.
To be very frank, vinyl when done properly beats any digitals, including DVD-audio, in term of musical engagement & being-there.
If you know the smart way of going vinyl, you don't need to spend "all that money" to get superb sonic results.
When Warners decides to go back to vinyl stuffs, there must be justifiable business advantages to reap.
Let see what Warners would come out considering really good LP recordings are hard to find nowadays.
c-J
Unlike many who claim that vinyl is the last word in sonic bliss, in my own comparisons of analogue vs digital media, I have never found that one format consistantly betters the other. Certainly there are many times when I've compared an LP to a redbook CD with the LP having superior sonics. This is particularly true of older pre-digital recordings from the 60s 70s and early 80s.Other times I find vinyl and the redbook counterpart to be indistinguishable. The default judgenmet ends up going to the CD if for no other reason than less noise and ease of use. Sometimes the CD wins the comparison outright, although that is admittedly the rarest outcome.
In my opinion it all comes down to the care taken in the recording and the mastering. A well recorded and masted CD will likely sound better than a poorly done LP and vice versa. The format is secondary.
Then there are those comparisons of LP vs the high res formats like DVDA. One day, I spent hours trying to quantify the difference between Parsons "Turn of a Friendly card", LP vs DVDA. While very very slight differences could be detected, there was nothing to indicate which was more "corrrect". Neither was objectionable. Neither was preferred. I eventually gave the edge to the DVDA. This same thing has happened numerous times when I have compared vinyl to a stereo high res format.
Where the DVDA (and SACD for that matter) really shine is in the multi channel presentations. It is this feature that pulls these digital mediums to the top of the heap for me. There is no vinyl experience at all that can compete with a well done MC mix. It truly is a night and day difference. The tiny nuances most audiophiles chase after become insignificant in the face of the vast difference multi channel presents.
So for me Mr Warner, more DVDA's please.
Like I've been saying right along, the high res aspect can come and go... but in some form or other, multi channel is here to stay.
Hi.CD stereo used limited bandwidth of 44.1KHz as compared to 192KHz of DVD-audio stereo which blows CD away sonically, to say the least.
Old vinyls were all anlogue process from mics to mastering despite many contemporary LPs were pressed from digitally recorded masters.
That's why the old old goodie vinyls sound so musical & engaging. I own a quite hundreds of such old old timers which, IMO, beat those digitally mastered LP recordings bigtime in term of musical engagement & 'being-there'.
For multi-channel movie soundtracks, only digital format can handle all the multi-channel hi-rez sonic infos. Period.
So for analogue, I go vinyl stereo. For digital, I go DVD-audio stereo. I am still yet to be convinced multi-channel audio can replace any fine stereo recordings sonically.
c-J
While the focus may be on vinyl initially, it certainly appears there will be DVD-Audio releases as well. The following is the text of their first e-mail:
"Thank you for checking out becausesoundmatters.com
Site launch May 1As I sit hear listening to a test pressing of the incredible new Wilco record,"Sky Blue Sky" I am pleased to finally let you know the site will have a soft launch on May 1st.
The Warner Bros. Records on line vinyl and DVD Audio store is about to finally be reality!!!!
You can expect to find all types of titles on the site, both current and catalog releases. Regular weight records, 180 GRAM audiophile records, exclusives to the site, 7" singles, colored vinyl, picture discs, box sets, and much more.
Our goal is to make sure whether it is a regular weight pro tools recorded new band, or an audiophile dream... that tender loving care from vinyl freaks who LOVE music went in to the making of the package.
We also want to create a community aspect where we don't just have a store dedicated to our music, but a place for vinyl/music heads to go for information, and to pass along ideas to us as well.
We will have interviews with our artists about their music, the recording process, the vinyl process, DVD Audio process and more.
By mid June becausesoundmatters.com will be flushed out and ready to have a more "official" launch.
Thanks again for signing up to becausesoundmatters.com
Expect more specific e-mails soon about all these titles.
Next time the story of how Neil Young inspired our name.....Musically Yours,
Team BSM
Upcoming Releases
Wilco, Sky Blue Sky (May 15th)
180 Gram 2 discs, mastered for vinyl by Stan Ricker
The White Stripes "Icky Thump"( June 19th)
180 Gram 2 discs, mastered for vinyl by Kevin Gray and Steve Hoffman
Linkin Park "Minutes To Midnight" (end of May)
180 Gram 2 discs
PLUS: New Smashing Pumpkins, Spiderman 3 Soundtrack Picture Disc, Slayer, Linkin Park 7" picture disc of the single "What I've Done."Plus catalog releases from....
R.E.M., Metallica, Van Morrison, ZZ Top, Rickie Lee Jones, James Taylor, Fleetwood Mac, the legendary Sire label and more!
April 23, 2007 • Issue 1
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Although I'm not a fan of vinyl because of all the snap, crackle, pop and general hassle that goes with it, it's ironic that I've yet to recreate that moment when I first heard Elvis singing Jailhouse Rock on an RCA 78 (Treat Me Nice on the flip).The closest I've come to it is when listening in surround and I sincerely hope that I get more than a few scraps thrown my way by the the major record companies (the attitude of Universal is appalling). It shouldn't necessarily be just about profit - what about the art? Can't they treat surround mixing and mastering as a loss leader?
As for vinyl, I still recall having to take some records back to the shops because of excessive surface noise and occasionally getting further problems because of allegations that the items were in perfect nick when I bought them so the damage must have been caused by my equipment.
I also remember the stylus jumping a few seconds into side 2 of my brand new copy of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway - IIRC the track is called Back in NYC. Anyway, on that occasion I thought my stylus was worn and replaced it but unfortunately, this did not provide a cure. Then, when browsing Melody Maker the following week, I read an announcement by Charisma admitting to a faulty pressing. I followed their instructions and duly got a replacement in the post a couple of weeks later and guess what? - my stylus jumped in exactly the same spot. To this day, I can still hear that stylus jump and the track has effectively been spoilt for me.
I still chuckle when I read articles in specialist hifi magazines about how certain turnables give a brilliant 3 dimensional effect. You don't get any more 3 dimensional than MCH.
According to the information on the Steve Hoffman forum, he and Kevin Gray are doing the vinyl. There are going to be 100s of titles on Vinyl. Not much info on DVD-A though.
I will believe the DVD-A releases WHEN I SEE THEM. DVD-A was never well supported, and I can't believe Warner is going to visit what is essentially a dead format and reinvigorate it.Yes, I'd love to see rock releases in DVD-A of my favorite artists. But considering how shabbily the music companies have treated us music fans, I can't expect anything from them.
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