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In Reply to: Re: But what about the difference between lossy and lossless posted by Charles Hansen on February 27, 2007 at 19:39:42:
But,I don't think the people who are satisfied with DVD-Video would be on a forum of this nature or on any other forum of this nature. These forums are exactly about achieving the best sound quality for the music you love. Yes, it is true the great masses of people who are primarily interested in movie watching in surround could care less. But (oh that word again) this isn't about video it is about audio. DVD-Audio uses the space available for quality audio and full motion video was never the point nor the intent. For my taste I could care less about video because again it is about audio. DVD-Video live concerts are perfectly fine to me because the issue is as much video (you want to see the performance)as it is audio (you also want to hear the performance). You attention is divided. My attention when listening to CDs, SACDs or DVD-Audio is the music and nothing else. Half the time when I have made the menu selection on the monitor I shut it off and just listen.I don't have my head in the sand thinking SACD and DVD-Audio have been greatly successful formats but they give me hope for future high resolution audio. My hope is that the mechanism for HD-DVD and/or Blue Ray (I think Dolby's is called Dolby Plus and the DTS version) will eventually step outside of shear movie production and begin issuing Audio focused discs that should have the ability to have high quality if not HD video included.
Can you give me an example of difficult DVD-A menus. I have several of the early releases and other than the fact you have to use a video menu at all I have not experienced difficult menus.
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< < I don't think the people who are satisfied with DVD-Video would be on a forum of this nature > >I guess you haven't been around much, have you?
Ever since DVD-Video was introduced in early 1997, it has had the capability for 96/24 uncompressed stereo music, with or without video. Both Chesky and Classic records introduced dozens of disc like this for the audiophile market. They didn't do very well in the marketplace because it was several years before you could buy a DVD player that didn't sound like a total piece of crap.
And by that time people were brainwashed into thinking that DVD-A and SACD were going to save the planet. Oh well...
< < My hope is that the mechanism for HD-DVD and/or Blue Ray ... begin issuing Audio focused discs. > >
"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it."
Your idea failed with 96/24 DVD-Video. It failed with DVD-Audio. It failed with SACD. If you think it's going to happen with the new video formats, you are just plain wrong. The best chance for success in introducing a new audio format *was* with DVD-Video. But the DVD consortium shot themselves in the foot by trying to create DVD-Audio.
The only reason that SACD existed was because Sony's & Philips' patents on CD's were expiring. They used to make over $1,000,000,000 per year in *free money* on CD royalties! They didn't want to lose that revenue stream, but they weren't smart enough to figure out how to hit the jackpot again.
But DVD-Video simply does not have the capacity for lossless high res audio. And, can you point out to me which Classic DAD or HDAD discs have full motion video. I would like to check them out because none of the titles I have or any others for that matter have video. And what Chesky discs have full motion video. Both companies are focused on the audio and certainly not video. I need to do a little research to find those Chesky discs with the video to because I wasn't aware of this. My god, hanging on to DVD-Video as the do all end all sounds alot like the vinyl retro followers.
< < But DVD-Video simply does not have the capacity for lossless high res audio. > >This is such an absurd statement that there is no point to even argue it. Try reading the other postings on this thread. If you don't get it by now, there isn't any hope for you.
< < And, can you point out to me which Classic DAD or HDAD discs have full motion video. > >
None of them do. The full name of the company is "Classic Records". They are an audio company, not a video company. You must be thinking of Paramount, or Warner Brothers, or Disney, or something.
< < I need to do a little research to find those Chesky discs with the video > >
Yes, then you wouldn't make such silly statements in a public forum:
http://www.chesky.com/core/details.cfm?productcode=CHDVD194&productcategoryid=2
"Recorded with Chesky Records' legendary 96kHz/24bit audio technology and featuring full-motion video on DVD -- one of the first of its kind in the world"
I believe that the other Chesky release with full-motion video and 96/24 audio is:
http://www.chesky.com/core/details.cfm?productcode=CHDVD195&productcategoryid=2
Please note that the video on these discs is not all that high of quality. This is NOT due to the format limitations, but rather a simple case of sub-standard authoring.
96/24 video takes up 4.6 Mbps of the available 9.8 Mbps data stream. This leaves 5 Mbps for video, more than enough for good picture quality, and well beyond the average video data rate of 4 Mbps.
So keep on smoking that opium, and happy pipedreams to you!
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