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In Reply to: A long, rambling post/update re Classical DVD-A's posted by Chris from Lafayette on August 26, 2005 at 17:18:29:

Michael Bishop did response to my post on the SACD board but I have not gotten any other feedback.
Very much appreciate you taking the time now and in the past for reviewing classical music on hi-rez.
This last post will be kept for future reference. FWIW, I haven't bought a DVD-A recording now in at least a year or so. My latest endeavor is sampling DVD recordings of classical works. I'm very much enjoying lots of what I've heard so far. In the near future, it will be a comparison of a Abbado DVD versus his DVD-A recording of LVB symphonies. I also plan to do so versus SACD also if I can find the same performance on DVD. It's all for curiousity sake.
BTW, there are lots of classical music performances on DVD. I dare say lots more than people may think.

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Re: Still Looking For Opinions On Either Board Versus DD 5.1 or DTS - Chris from Lafayette 12:31:53 08/27/05 (3)
Sorry I did not respond to your posts earlier, over on the SACD forum (Hi-Rez Highway). I was not exactly certain what you meant at first.
Regarding DTS tracks vs. DVD-A MLP tracks, I agree with Sound Guy (in the post below).
At the same time, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the DTS tracks on some DVD videos. I just listened to and watched the Opus Arte DVD-Video of Rachmaninoff’s opera, “The Miserly Knight”. Maybe it was because I wasn’t expecting much, but I found the DTS sound track very impressive, conveying a nice sense of space, even though I know it’s a lossy compression scheme. I also found the DTS track of the Paris production of Prokofiev’s “War and Peace” on a TDK DVD-Video surprisingly good (not as good as the Rachmaninoff, however).
In addition to the DTS tracks on DVD videos, there are DTS audio discs. (This is where my confusion about your original question arose.) Again, I’ve found some of these discs to be of surprisingly high quality. I recently acquired two DTS audio discs (on the Coviello label) of Bruckner Symphonies 7 and 8 (with the Aachen Symphony). I actually acquired these discs by mistake (!) because there were listed as DVD-Audios on the HMV Japan web site! In the event however, they turned out to be surprisingly fine sounding discs with interesting interpretations from the conductor (Marcus Bosch).
Another DTS audio disc which I’ve had good luck with is the DTS Entertainment disc of a performance of the St. John Passion given in Portland, Oregon. This disc illustrates my contention that it’s less important what the music carrier is than how the performance was recorded in the first place, and the simple microphone technique on this recording pays real, audible dividends.
- Thanks For Sharing Your Experiences - Robertc88 08:59:23 08/29/05 (2)
  I'm just beginning to sample classical recordings utilizing DTS or DD 5.1 that I have available to me from the library and Netflix. Perhaps the ones you commented on will also be available to me.
  As I stated, what I've heard has impressed me so far. The standouts include Neujahrskonzert New Years's Concert 2004 with Riccardo Muti and Wiener Philarmoniker on DG, Perlman on EMI DVD Beethoven and Brahms Violin Concertos, Ma, Meyer, & O'Connor's Appalachian Journey on Sony DVD, and also Mickhael Gielen SWR Sinforieorchester LVB Symphonies 4,5, & 6 on EuroArts DVD (that's 3 symphs for quite a very good price).
  I was unable to open the pdf you made available on the hi-rez forum so I'm in the dark as to its content. I do see you wrote about some of the Dvorak Symphs here. Have you sampled any of those classical works on SACD? The Philips SACD recording for Ivan Fischer with the Budapest Festival Orchestra is very very good and has drawn praise from lots of folks! It includes the Dvorak 8th and 9th.
  - Re: Thanks For Sharing Your Experiences - Chris from Lafayette 18:37:44 08/29/05 (1)
    Robert,
    I have the following recordings of Dvorak Symphonies (mainly the New World) on SACD:
    Fischer / Budapest Festival Orch on Philips
    Bernstein / NY Phil on Sony
    Kreizberg / Netherlands Phil on Pentatone
    Szell / Cleveland Orch on Sony
    Haven't heard any of these for a while, but my initial impression was that I liked the Macal / Czech Phil performance on Exton more than I liked these four (in the New World anyway). However, I have not heard the Reiner recording on SACD yet, and Reiner's has always been one of my favorite renditions for its combination of intensity, orchestral playing, and engineering. So, needless to say, I'm looking forward to hearing the Reiner in its new incarnation!
    Your question about SACD versions of the Dvorak Symphonies prompts me to think about making a list of my favorite SACD's. This might be interesting, because the list would be more from a DVD-Audiophile's perspective! It would be less interesting however in that many of my choices would tend to be the conventional favorites already praised by other posters (e.g., the Living Stereo and Living Presence reissues, a lot of the Pentatones, etc.)
    - Reiner SACD - Robertc88 04:33:21 08/30/05 (0)
      I find this recording at my local library this past weekend. I'm able to hold unto it for three weeks. I haven't gotten a chance to listen to it yet but plan to do so in the near future. Opinions on the hi-rez board were very mixed (aren't they always?).
      This isn't the first SACD I came across at the library. They have some of the MTT SFS Mahler symphony recordings. I need to find out how the library happened upon these. I know folks can fill out a request form but I guess I shouldn't be surprised some SACDs are beginning to show up.
      The Macal/Czech Phil on Exton has me curious. Perhaps I'll purchase it down the road. I try to avoid duplication for classical works and also jazz recordings across digital formats but I have made some exceptions in the past.
Re: Still Looking For Opinions On Either Board Versus DD 5.1 or DTS - The Sound Guy 08:15:38 08/27/05 (1)
Just popped in my AIX Mozart Symphony 26 disc and did a comparison between the 96/24 MLP track and the DD 5.1 track.
The MLP track has much more detail and information while the DD track runs out of steam in complex passages and tend to sound a bit brittle (due to lossy compression). The DD track leave you with a feeling that you are missing something (of course there is a lot missing!).
So if you are listening to simple music with few instruments DD may work but if you need real music go 96/24 uncompressd / MLP.
- Have You Tried Any Recordings Utilizing DTS? - Robertc88 08:42:37 08/29/05 (0)
  No matter if you have a corresponding work on DVD-A or not, I'd like to know what experiences you have listening with that audio format.

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