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In Reply to: Re: Come back with me to April 28, 2002 posted by robert young on June 3, 2005 at 15:20:55:

No, I'm showing that the output has been abyssmal in the last two years, ie for those of us trying to increase the size of our collections it requires material that we're interested in purchasing.

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John Kotches

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i was trying to be light-hearted, but now... - robert young 06:26:24 07/01/05 (6)
i'll just beat this dead horse some more: the last 2 years i've increased my digital collection by a factor of 5. how? well, i don't necessarily buy only new releases, particularly as my tastes are influenced by previous purchases; and secondly, i'm a huge jazz and classical fan, so i've been quite pleased by the output. unlike you, apparently, the requirement that material i'm interested in is being satisfied...
the fact that the titles available aren't good for you doesn't mean the output is across the board bad. for classical fans (and yes we do still exist), the output is fairly good. if sacd and dvd-a only came out with pop and muzak, i'd probably be looking to sell my player...
- Re: i was trying to be light-hearted, but now... - John Kotches 13:58:24 07/01/05 (5)
  It's definitely a great time if you're a classical fan, no doubt. I'm not nearly as much a classical fan as I am a popular music and jazz fan. I also prefer more modern composers (i.e. Stravinsky, Hindemith, Barber, Poulenc) over earlier composers which once again makes for a smaller selection of titles within the realm of classical.
  It is still predominately reissues of catalog titles instead of newly recorded material which can show the new formats in their best light. The Living Stereo reissues date back the better part of 50 years. For example the Saint Saens Symphony #3, dates back to December of 1956. There's nothing wrong with that, and certainly they are great recordings. In the end though, it's not the same result as current state of the art recordings.
  
  Regards,
  John Kotches
  - agreed, but.... - robert young 05:29:06 07/02/05 (4)
    "It is still predominately reissues of catalog titles instead of newly recorded material which can show the new formats in their best light."
    Don't you mean the opposite?
    I've enjoyed the Living Stereo releases very much. I have the vinyl of many, but not all, the titles, and the comparison of formats is quite interesting (though to be fair to the digital, my vinyl playback is close to state-of-the-art, and my universal player is....not;)
    Sadly, many contemporary musicians simply don't care about their recordings. For every Beck, Bjork and Wilco who work hard at the quality of their recordings, there are thousands of others for whom mp3 is just fine...
    - Re: agreed, but.... - John Kotches 07:33:12 07/02/05 (3)
      No, I don't actually. Newly recorded material can better show what DVD-Audio and SA-CD are capable of.
      Recordings made 45-50 years ago have master tapes that have lost high frequency information, have older tape formulations with higher noise floors (you just live with it) etc etc etc.
      Compare that with the material coming from AIX or Telarc or DMP (top notch recordings, content is another issue).
      I do agree with you about contemporary artists - far too few give a damn about recording quality. Those that do give us some great material. If you like his material, check out the Mark Knopfler discs "Sailing to Philadelphia" and "Shangri-La" (CD + DVD-A on WB or import the SA-CD) or Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms". These haven't been destroyed by an overactive compressor/limiter in the circuit so they have life and actual dynamic range.
      
      Regards,
      John Kotches
      - I'm confused... - robert young 11:09:31 07/02/05 (2)
        
        In Reply to: Re: agreed, but.... posted by John Kotches on July 2, 2005 at 07:33:12:
        
        Here's your first quote again: "It is still predominately reissues of catalog titles instead of newly recorded material which can show the new formats in their best light."
        Here's one from your last post: "Newly recorded material can better show what DVD-Audio and SA-CD are capable of."
        These two statements are opposites. I'm going to believe that the first wass an acciddent, and the second what you mean. I agree who;eheartedly, particularly after listening to Ray Kimber's DSD Iso-mike recordings at last year's HE show...
        I've been meaning to pick up some Dire Straights. Thanks to your recommendation, I'm off to see if there are any DVD-A's or SACD's left at Tower Records here in NYC...;)
        
        Re: I'm confused... - John Kotches 12:41:08 07/06/05 (1)
        
        In Reply to: I'm confused... posted by robert young on July 2, 2005 at 11:09:31:
        
        They aren't.
        What we're getting is predominately a rehash of old material, marketed to an aging audiophile base. It'll sell a few thousand copies, maybe as many as 10,000 copies but that isn't nearly enough to take it beyond niche status.
        A 40 year old master tape isn't going to show what DVD-A or SA-CD is capable of and that point was consistent in both quotes you highlighted.
        
        Regards,
        John Kotches
        
        semantics - robert young 13:04:37 07/06/05 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: I'm confused... posted by John Kotches on July 6, 2005 at 12:41:08:
        
        John,
        You should re-read your first quote: "It is still predominately reissues of catalog titles instead of newly recorded material which can show the new formats in their best light." Maybe I'm being a bit of a semantic freak, but the unequivocal meaning of the your statement is that reissues of catalogue titles can best demonstrate of "what DVD-A or SA-CD is capable." (Whether or not you meant it - I don't think you did - the base sentence is "It is still predominantly reissues of catalogue titles which can show the new formats in their best light." What the sentence needs to change the meaning is another qualifier and a comma: "It is still predominantly reissues of catalogue titles that are currently available, rather than newly recorded material which can show the new formats in their best light.")
        This isn't what any of your follow-up e-mails state, with which I agree wholeheartedly.

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