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In Reply to: Re: Come back with me to April 28, 2002 posted by John Kotches on June 29, 2005 at 07:31:56:
Elton John: Elton John
Elton John: Super Audio CD Sampler
Elton John: Peachtree Road
Elton John: Goodbye Yellow Brick Road
Elton John: Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (Deluxe Edition)
Elton John: Honky Chateau
Elton John: Madman across the Water
Elton John: Tumbleweed Connection
Elton John: Captain Fantastic & The Brown Dirt CowboyThat makes nine separately-cataloged SACD releases.
>>The Stones titles were heavily subsidized and no further titles were released.<<
This is totally irrelevant.
>>Take away the subsidized Stones titles, and there's not much difference, is there?<<
Why would we take them away? They WERE released. They DO exist. If you insist on taking away the ABKO releases, then I would insist on taking away the Warner releases. Where would that leave rock/pop DVD-Audio? Answer: essentially non-existent.
>>IMO, it's very bleak for Hi-Res regardless of whether you're a fan of SA-CD, DVD-Audio or just Surround of either variety (like me).<<
I do not agree. If we wish to zero in on specific genres, it can easily be demonstrated that (pick your format) is weak on (pick your favorite genre). However, SACD releases continue to trickle out. DVD-Audio releases in nearly every genre have all but come to a halt.
For a primarily stereo SACD listener (like me), there are endless choices if one is open-minded. There are more releases coming out weekly than I can afford to buy, and just when the nay-sayers are declaring SACD dead for the thousandth time, out pops another big release (and a slew of lesser ones). It's pretty good for the MC listeners as well.
For a primarily stereo DVD-Audio listener (again, like me), the format is pretty much dead. I have bought nearly everything of interest to me that currently exists, and it simply doesn't look like much more is coming. That's sad. It doesn't seem like surround fans have it much better, unless Dolby Digital surround is good enough.
In the "old days," the format bigots on each side cheered each time a single release in their treasured format came out, and jeered at their hated opponents when they did the same. The SACD release stream never became a flood, but it's now a pretty steady trickle. The DVD-A release stream is now just an occasional drip that is threatening to dry up. Again, I find that sad because I have no new software to feed to my DVD-A players.
Given that reality, KEKL's endless cheerleading looks more and more stupid every time he posts. Michi is right - he's an anachronism. He's so pathetic it's funny. I'm actually hoping he's dumb enough to try to respond to my post, because if he does, it will be quite entertaining ;-)
Follow Ups:
I don't consider two repackages (GYBR Deluxe and the SAC Sampler) to be titles in the strictest sense, and I personally never saw the sampler out for sale. Fine if you want to call it nine, and now I know where your count is coming from. I missed Tumbleweed Connection from the list, that's the one I don't have yet.It's hard to believe that it really has been almost 3 years since the Stones titles hit the streets. They're a distant memory and it shows how little force Hi-rez has.
It's a sad state of affairs for any fan of Hi-rez, and I'm pretty sure I said that myself.
However, there have been the following in the past few months that weren't on the original list:
8 REM DVD-A + CD
2 Mark Knopfler DVD-A+CD (US), SA-CD (Europe)Not quite dead yet, but very close to it.
Regards,
John Kotches
...and 16 Bob Dylan SACDs, and 14 Kinks SACDs, and 7 Police SACDs, and 3 Who SACDs, and 2 Deep Purple SACDs, and 2 BS&T SACDs, and Dire Straits, and George Harrison, and Bowie and Roxy Music, and Rory Gallagher, and...on and on.There are plenty not on the original list. The fact is that MOST of those "plenty" are SACDs, not DVD-As.
I'll agree with you 100% that DVD-A is about as close to death as a format can be. SACD is not dead yet.
and your Foo Fighters - In Your Honor SACD ?Oh , these hit albums weren't released on SACD .
LOL
OTOH , these hit albums were released , in 2005 , on DVD-A for Beck , and on DualDisc with DVD-A for NIN and Foo Fighters .
The labels , UMG and BMG , could have released these hit albums on your beloved SACD , but chose not to .
LOL
Desperate SACD apologist , I must say that I thoroughly enjoy laughing at you , as you constantly try to prop up your very dead SACD format .
LOL
ZS KEKL
P.S. LOL
I knew you'd come back with something totally stupid, and you did not disappoint.LOL
you continue to cry an ocean of tears , and make crybaby followup posts .LOL
Your beloved SACD is DeadDisc , and you can't stop crying !!!!!
LOL
ZS KEKL
Heck DVD-Audio's of the old days are much better than the crap coming out on DualDisc. And you fell for it hook, line and sinker.Come back over to where the good music is, come back to DVD-Audio.
And if you guys didn't already know this is IN MY HUMBLE OPINION you opinion may differ.
LOL at the real loser ZS KEKL who abandoned a perfectly good format (DVD-Audio) for DualDisc. Why did you do that? Come back to DVD-Audio and bring Warner Bros. with you please!
Teresa
You get weirder and weirder every week. Whoever runs you ought to reboot you to clean out your memory registers.Oh, and:
LOL
a completely humiliated SACD cheerleader , and a idiot .LOL
My post , addressed to you , containing my prediction , was made on June 17 , 2005 , and the link I provided goes directly to it . The post can also be found at : http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/dvda/messages/21791.html
I know that you are very familiar with the post , and the prediction . It begins with " Humiliated SACD cheerleader , R.T. sells over 1 million DualDiscs with DVD-A , & you're crying over 1 million tears " , and concludes with " I now predict that you will continue to cry an ocean of tears , and you will make more crybaby followup posts . Completely Humiliated SACD cheerleader , I am certain to be correct again because you ... can't stop crying . LOL " .
Read the complete post again , and cry .
Or , don't read the complete post again , and cry .
Either way .. you're crying , and humiliated !!!!!
LOL
ZS KEKL
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Well, that would be Rob Thomas.Unfortunately for Pitiful DualDisc Pom-Pom Girls, that Rob Thomas DualDisc will very likely be one of the very last DualDiscs -- with or without DVD-A -- that the Warner Music Group will ever release. Warners have virtually given up on DualDisc -- in favour of a single package containing a CD and a separate DVD-A (the so-called "DoubleDisc").
"SACD is not dead yet."Reminds me of "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"
The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
[a man puts a body on the cart]
Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: What?
Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.
The Dead Collector: He isn't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.
Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
The Dead Collector: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I don't want to go on the cart.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, don't be such a baby.
The Dead Collector: I can't take him.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel fine.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, do me a favor.
The Dead Collector: I can't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
The Dead Collector: I promised I'd be at the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, when's your next round?
The Dead Collector: Thursday.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I think I'll go for a walk.
Large Man with Dead Body: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel happy. I feel happy.
[the Dead Collector glances up and down the street furtively, then silences the Body with his a whack of his club]
Large Man with Dead Body: Ah, thank you very much.
The Dead Collector: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
Large Man with Dead Body: Right.
DEAD PARROTA customer enters a pet shop carrying a dead parrot in a cage. He walks to counter where shopkeeper tries to hide below cash register.
PRALINE: Hello, I wish to register a complaint… Hello, Miss?
SHOPKEEPER: What do you mean "miss"?
PRALINE: I'm sorry, I have a cold. I wish to make a complaint!
SHOPKEEPER: We're closing for lunch.
PRALINE: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this parrot what I purchased not half an hour ago from this very boutique.
SHOPKEEPER: Oh yes, the Norwegian Blue. What's wrong with it?PRALINE: I'll tell you what's wrong with it. It’s dead, that's what's wrong with it.
SHOPKEEPER: No, no, it's resting, look.
PRALINE: Look, my lad, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
SHOPKEEPER: No no it's not dead, it's resting.PRALINE: Resting?
SHOPKEEPER: Yeah, remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, beautiful plumage, innit?
PRALINE: The plumage don't enter into it - it's stone dead.
SHOPKEEPER: No, no! He's resting!
PRALINE: All right then, if it's resting, I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) Hello Polly! I've got a nice cuttle fish for you if you wake up Polly Parrot!SHOPKEEPER: (jogging cage) There, it moved!
PRALINE: No, he didn't, that was you pushing the cage!
SHOPKEEPER: I did not.
PRALINE: Yes, you did! (takes parrot out of the cage, shouts) Hello Polly, Polly (bangs it against counter) Polly Parrot wake up. Polly (throws it up in the air and lets it fall to the floor.) Now that's what I call a dead parrot.
SHOPKEEPER: No, no.....No, it's stunned!
PRALINE: Look my lad, I've had just about enough of this. That parrot is definitely deceased, and when I purchased it not half an hour ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it being tired and shagged out after a long squawk.
SHOPKEEPER: It’s probably pining for the fjords.
PRALINE: Pining for the fjords, what kind of talk is that? Look, why did it fall flat on his back the moment I got it home?
SHOPKEEPER: The Norwegian Blue prefers kipping on its back! Remarkable bird, lovely plumage!
PRALINE: Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been nailed there.
SHOPKEEPER: Well, of course it was nailed there! Otherwise it would muscle up to those bars, and voom!
PRALINE: Look matey (picks up parrot) this bird wouldn't voom if you put four thousand volts through it! He's bleeding demised!
SHOPKEEPER: It’s not, it’s pining!
PRALINE: It's not pining, it's passed on. This parrot is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late parrot. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. If you hadn't nailed it to the perch it would be pushing up the daisies. It’s run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible!! This is an ex-parrot.
SHOPKEEPER: Well, I'd better replace it, then.
PRALINE: (to camera) If you want to get anything done in this country you’ve got to complain till you’re blue in the mouth.
SHOPKEEPER: Sorry guv, we're right out of parrots.
PRALINE: I see. I see, I get the picture.
SHOPKEEPER: I’ve got a slug.
PRALINE: Does it talk?
SHOPKEEPER: Not really, no.
PRALINE: Well it's scarcely a replacement, then is it?
SHOPKEEPER: Listen, I’ll tell you what, (handing over card) tell you what, if you go to my brother's pet shop in Bolton, he'll replace your parrot for you.
PRALINE: Bolton, eh?SHOPKEEPER: Yeah.
PRALINE: All right.
He customer leaves taking the parrot with him.
It's not much to speak of for either format.And in terms of surround, which is what interests me:
Rolling Stones: 0
Dylan: 0
Kinks: 0
Police: 1 (have it)
Who: 0
Deep Purple: Don't Know (not a fan)
BS&T: 0
Dire Straits: 1 (Have it)
George Harrison: 1 (Have it)
Bowie: Not a fan
Roxy Music: Not a fanLest you think I am biased one way or another, the last I checked it was about 240 DVD-A, and about 220 SA-CD titles.
Regards,
John Kotches
Dylan has several:Another Side of Bob Dylan
Blood on the Tracks
Love & Theft
Slow Train Coming
Bringing It All Back HomeAnd "Tommy" by The Who is also multichannel.
The Rolling Stones have one multi-channel release:
Sympathy for the Devil
Though it is the same song played in 5 or so variations.Bowie has several:
Reality
Heathen
Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from MarsI find Reality worth listening to (though I like the footage on the DualDisc as well, unfortunately the Dolby Digital mix is lousy).
The multichannel release by Roxy Music "Avalon" is excellent.
Actually, I think both SACD and DVD-Audio still have some juice in them. There is a steady trickle of pop/rock release from both formats (even if they take the form of DualDisc with DVD-Audio). Some of these new release are actually quite good.
And another advantage of the DualDisc releases that contain DVD-Audio is that they are actually new releases (SACD is mostly older releases). I think having newer releases coming out on a format is relevant, even if us audiophiles prefer older established recordings for the most part.
I have Tommy in DVD-Audio already. Why pursue it on SA-CD?As for the Stones, one track (in 5 variations) does not make a disc to me. Neither does a sampler of tracks I already have, but that's another story.
I'll have to seek out some of the Dylan discs, I was informed they were all stereo only.
Regards,
John Kotches
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