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Total bald-faced out right lies: I have owned both DVD-Audio and SACD.

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In Reply to: Re: "Which knocks SACD into a cocked hat." posted by Neil Wilkes on August 25, 2004 at 10:52:22:

SACDs frequency response extends to 100kHz, 24 Bit 96kHz extends to 44kHz. SACD samples the signal 2,822,400 times per second 24 96kHz 96,000 times per second!
Christine Tham has measured the high frequency noise between 20kHz - 50kHz to be 5%, that is 10 times less that LP in that range. In the supersonics I really don't think 5% of the signal being "noise" will even be audible.
Also the resolution of a PURE DSD recorded SACD is much higher than even 196kHz 24 Bit, all you have do is listen to one, it's really that simple.
And DVD-Audio even at 192kHz still has a PCM sound signature that CHANGES the sound. Anyone who is an engineer will clarify this for me but DSD was designed to be "transparent" with no sound of it own. Hundreds of tests have been done and DSD sound exactly like the live microphone feed, even Dolby S Analog sounds closer to microphone feed than even 192kHz 24 Bit PCM. The problem with DVD-Audio is it is still PCM, it is a better PCM but still PCM!!!!!
Where as SACD offers a sonic realism that was before only available with Analog tape at 30ips or LPs on the very best turntables. PCM cannot and will never be able to offer this degree of sonic realism, it is impossible. And it is unfair to ask PCM to perform in this matter.
Neil once you get to actually hear a PURE DSD recording SACD you will be singing a different tune.
And to compare SACD to CD PROVES You have NEVER heard a good SACD!
Anyone who has ever heard a correctly recorded and played SACD will accept nothing less
Pure simple logic,
Teresa

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Engineer Elliot Mazer says " I love the sound of DVD-A at 192/24 . Nothing sounds as good as that " . Mazer has ... - ZS KEKL 22:51:02 08/25/04 (18)
lots of credibility .
OTOH , Teresa , you have none .
LOL
ZS KEKL
P.S. Be sure to read the link .
- http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=hirez&n=171493&highlight=Elliot+Mazer&r= (Open in New Window)
- Does DVD-A even offer a high-rez 2 channel layer? - jdaniel@jps.net 07:31:37 08/26/04 (1)
  I hope so, or you won't get most audiophiles.
  - DVD-A can - John Kotches 10:38:49 08/26/04 (0)
    The details are left to the content provider. With the exception of Silverline the vast majority of titles are being released with dedicated stereo tracks.
    There is little point in upsampling lower rate digital sources to 192K, which is simply an exercise in specsmanship.
    Regards,
    John Kotches
- The funy part is Mazer's quote does not say what you claim it says. - Duilawyer 06:32:32 08/26/04 (1)
  Read it. He never says one sounds better. But you are just stirring the shit pot, so your accuracy goes out the window for a chance to snipe.
  - You are wrong . Mazer was asked to compare DVD-A vs. SACD . If you click on the link to Mazer's comments ... - ZS KEKL 09:41:25 08/26/04 (0)
    that I provided , you will realise that you have made a mistake .
    Even if you don't read the link , you are still wrong .
    LOL
    ZS KEKL
- those are all commercial ROCK recordings I trust the ears of engineers that actually make realistic sounding recordings - Teresa 23:32:05 08/25/04 (13)
  Engineer Elliot Mazer must be deaf, working with all that LOUD, DISTORTED ROCK, no wonder he cannot hear the superiority of SACD.
  I trust my own golden ears and they agree with Michael Bishop, Robert Woods, Joe Harley, Tom Jung, Tim de Paravicini and others who actually make excellent sounding realistic recordings when they say DSD is the most realistic format they have ever worked with.
  Sometimes I wonder if you have a brain? as I know you don't have ears or you would be listening to SACD not DVD-Audio. Have you ever just stopped to think why 95% of the world's Audiophile labels release SACD and not DVD-Audio? When they are selling SOUND QUALITY? Really are you that stupid?
  Sometimes I do not know why I waste my time with you, maybe you will fall in love with a girl who have a great SACD player and then you will know how WRONG you have been for the last 4 years!
  Oh Well,
  Teresa
  - Re: " Why did the labels choose SACD ? " . John Eargle says " Sony was generous " . It was nothing about the sound ... - ZS KEKL 00:25:54 08/26/04 (12)
    of SACD .
    It was about the taste of Sony's money .
    LOL
    Teresa , it's time for you to wake up . There's a reason why it's called the record BUSINESS .
    LOL
    ZS KEKL
    P.S. Once again , be sure to read the link .
    - http://db.audioasylum.com/cgi/m.mpl?forum=hirez&n=178681&highlight=Eargle&r=&session= (Open in New Window)
    - John Eargle still records all his projects DSD even though Sony's technical assistance & equipment loans ended 2 years - Teresa 02:40:36 08/26/04 (11)
      ago. And being a small company Delos does not have the funds to release recordings in any high resolution format. All of his recordings are DSD to CD.
      Why?
      Because it sounds more REALISTIC
      And someday Delos hopes to re-enter the SACD market. So now you know why no new SACDs for Delos even though all of their sessions are DSD. Because companies no longer get help from Sony.
      So how do you explain Telarc with over 120 SACDs and 2 DVD-Audio's? Or any of the other 100 or so Audiophile labels still releasing SACD with no help from Sony BECAUSE THEY SOUND BETTER AND AUDIOPHILE LABELS LIVE AND DIE BASED THEIR ON SOUND QUALITY. You KNOW NOTHING about the dedication of audiophile labels and why they exist.
      There are now 2,355 SACDs, how many DVD-Audio's? DVD-Audio is really in a sorry state.
      What format is getting RCA Living Stereo and Mercury Living Presence in High Resolution? SACD!
      It's time for you to look at reality. DVD-Audio is dead and sonically inferior to SACD.
      Those are just the plain facts, period.
      Teresa
      - But probably just because he's used to it, - head_unit 15:20:21 09/18/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: John Eargle still records all his projects DSD even though Sony's technical assistance & equipment loans ended 2 years posted by Teresa on August 26, 2004 at 02:40:36:
        
        after all, once you have the equipment and know how to do it, why bother changing to PCM? Especially if there's "no difference when properly done" (as he told me he felt about DSD vs 96/24).
        I still say the skill of the people making the recording is WAY more important than differences between formats.
      - Blu-ray ? - RBP 10:39:25 08/26/04 (9)
        
        In Reply to: John Eargle still records all his projects DSD even though Sony's technical assistance & equipment loans ended 2 years posted by Teresa on August 26, 2004 at 02:40:36:
        
        Acually, many indie studios use DVD-A, they just dont get the distribution of the big boys. So far, I have 14 DVD-A recordings, one facility. In my town, 18 studios now use DVD-A but for indie projects that get limited to no distribution, the point is moot. One facility in New Orleans actually claims more than 50 recordings to date. They will play on any DVD player and have video content as well...but I think their is room for both formats. I just wonder what Blu-Ray will do to DVD? Blu-ray is not going to be audio only at all.
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        Can you post more details about those independent DVD-As? - Eric LeRouge 11:20:51 08/26/04 (8)
        
        In Reply to: Blu-ray ? posted by RBP on August 26, 2004 at 10:39:25:
        
        That's very interesting, I am wondering about a way to connect all the studios that do limited runs or independents that publish their own DVD-A titles.
        If you want, you can send me an eMail directly
        Best
        Eric
        
        Got it, thanks! -t- - RBP 12:52:25 08/26/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Can you post more details about those independent DVD-As? posted by Eric LeRouge on August 26, 2004 at 11:20:51:
        
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        Eric, did you get my mail? Something bounced.. - RBP 12:44:28 08/26/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Can you post more details about those independent DVD-As? posted by Eric LeRouge on August 26, 2004 at 11:20:51:
        
        Urrrh.. I hope, you got it, I sent 2
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        Yes I did, both messages, thanks - Eric LeRouge 12:49:51 08/26/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Eric, did you get my mail? Something bounced.. posted by RBP on August 26, 2004 at 12:44:28:
        
        As I said, I need to read it carefully and will get back to you tomorrow
        I haven't read it all yet, but I can tell you that it's really exciting
        Cheers
        Eric
        
        RE: - RBP 11:27:51 08/26/04 (4)
        
        In Reply to: Can you post more details about those independent DVD-As? posted by Eric LeRouge on August 26, 2004 at 11:20:51:
        
        Eric, I will be getting an email out to you shortly. Have you made some recordings that are either going to be on the market or willing to be on the market? I am trying to form a consortium of independants and I have willing parties. It is a detailed situation. Lot of people interested so far.
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        Yep -- if there was a way to order them from a single source, we'd be interested to know . . . - Martin419 11:48:39 08/26/04 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: posted by RBP on August 26, 2004 at 11:27:51:
        
        B.T.W I do know the purchasing manager at DVDEmpire.com. I could put you in touch with him.
        (For example, last year I managed to get all the Arts Music classical DVD-As distributed through DVDEmpire.)
        
        Re: Yep -- if there was a way to order them from a single source, we'd be interested to know . . . - RBP 12:00:08 08/26/04 (1)
        
        In Reply to: Yep -- if there was a way to order them from a single source, we'd be interested to know . . . posted by Martin419 on August 26, 2004 at 11:48:39:
        
        Very cool Martin! May I send you an email? The artists need all the help they can get. Many folks that have heard some of this are delighted.
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        OK. e-mail sent. {n.t.} - Martin419 12:32:30 08/26/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: Re: Yep -- if there was a way to order them from a single source, we'd be interested to know . . . posted by RBP on August 26, 2004 at 12:00:08:
        
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        Re: RE: - Eric LeRouge 11:45:18 08/26/04 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: posted by RBP on August 26, 2004 at 11:27:51:
        
        Please do, your idea sounds great, and I'll be glad to help if I can. This board is a good hub for getting something started.
        Best
        Eric

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