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In Reply to: RE: yes I have posted by bullethead on January 18, 2017 at 21:17:57
"I've been properly put in my place"
Who is putting you in your place? Not me. Tidal has been streaming for 3 weeks now. Way to early to reach any definite conclusions about Tidal.
As I said above we will still be having these discusions a year from now. Hell, we still debate ss vs tubes and analog vs digital. I like what I am hearing from Tidal through both the Meridium and the master 7. That's all I've said
Alan
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When I said I've been properly put in my place I was referring to the $23,000 DAC which is pretty expensive for my wallet, that and the choice between the $200 Explorer 2.What else is there?
When I mentioned Frustration before, I have two options one $200 the other $23,000.
I picked the $200 one and am not impressed. I'm not about to spend $23,000 to find out if MQA is worth it. I cancelled Tidal, I'll be patient.
This is an interesting topic to me, it could make or break the industry's credibility.
Edits: 01/19/17
There is the Mytek Brooklyn dac at $1995. As far as breaking the industries credibility this has happened many times before. When solid state came out many people hated it. Same for CDS. Although many people like SACD it has not really been a commercial success. Same with DSD. The industry is always changing. There is now more money spent on streaming and downloads then sale of CDS. Also for the first time more people are streaming then downloading. The industry has been pushing MQA relentlessly but the general public has never heard of MQA. Just us. We all need to relax and go back to listening and enjoying music.
Alan
Even other audiophools haven't heard of MQA. I read about it just this past weekend on this thread. My guess is that it is DOA, just another format that matters to too few people to make any headway. It is on a smaller streaming service, requires a monthly upgrade fee, needs special equipment, doesn't work on an iPhone and an add-on DAC costs $2k? Fuhgeddaboudit.
Most people don't even buy decent headphones and just use what came with their phone.
I've played around with some 24/96 on my home system and then always just go back to vinyl. 24/96 does sound good, and I'm sure the other hi-res formats may even be better, but it just isn't convenient.
Most of what you have said here is incorrect. Tidal is not a small streaming service. You can also download MQA files. There is no upgrade fee. It is playable on any dac with 90% of the benefits of MQA. There is no $2000 upgrade fee. In fact the Audioquest Dragon Red and Black is upgrading to MQA decoding with no charge. I suspect you have never heard MQA. If so, why comment on it? By the way, Sprint just invested 200 million dollars into Tidal. Small indeed
Alan
Edits: 01/24/17
OK, I'm buying the Dragonfly Black, so we'll see about sound. I have no doubt that 24/96 or better will sound good. I'll sign up for Tidal's free trial when it comes, the DAC is out of stock everywhere.
That doesn't change my opinion that it won't be more than a niche product and will fail in the broader market.
What some people on this site fail to realize we are all part of a niche industry
The bulk of consumers have never heard of any of the companies we buy equipment from. They know about Bose and that's it Do you really think that Meridian who developed MQA real sells there gear to the general public. So for MQA to succeed it just has to catch on with the bulk of audiophiles. If the general public gets to like it listening to music on there I-Phones, that will be a bonus. A big one but a bonus. SACD is a niche product. DSD and Hi-Rez is a niche product.Enjoy your dragonfly and have fun playing with Tidal. If you like MQA, great. If not, no big deal. It's still all about enjoying music
Alan
My SimAudio Moon dac cost 15 times the Meridian Explorer. It sounds great with Tidal doing the partial decode. I won't be running out to get a new MQA dac. However it is great to have Tidal streaming sound so good without buying new equipment. I can't find a downside. Anything that makes music sound better is pretty great.
bigshow
If your moon DAC has multiple digital filter options, did you find one that seemed to work better than the others with Tidal's MQA stream?
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Ken Newton
Edits: 01/19/17
My Moon dac does not have filter options. I do however believe it is an very high quality dac compared to others about the same price.
I did contact SimAudio and asked if it was possible that non MQA Moon dacs would be upgradable and they said it is a hardware upgrade not a software upgrade. They may in the future factory upgrade current dacs to handle MQA but at this time they didn't know which ones.
bigshow
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