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I will not be converting ALL my analogue software to digital files. I have other things to do with my tile like listening to them, cooking, gardening, exercising, walking and bush-walks, visiting, reading, tour- guide, invigilating exams, sleeping, let alone ... you know what.
I will do some for use in the new car which can play music files on a USB dongle, for the times when we can't get ABC Classic FM or their Radio National on AM. Probably just two dongles.
There appears to be one good ADC kit source in Germany. Which I would use to play analogue through in real time. Click down below.
Allowing me to try DSP from 150Hz down with a Mini-DSP DAC box or two and get phase alignment for all 4 'DIY swarm' subs to my QUAD 63s.
And I am hoping hope I won't prefer the analogue by-pass into the 1/3 octave Eq'rs I'll be using initially for a year or two while I *save up*, into the amps for each front bass channel.
* we are retired.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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I use one of these. Allows real time playing of records through DAC. Works ridiculously well for the price, albeit only at 24/48 resolution which again is surprisingly sufficient. Only issue was quality of supplied ac/dc plug adapter which was noisy. I happened to have a Hewlett Packard wall wart from a long gone device and the noise disappeared.
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I heard a demo of that guy, and was blown away be the features. Especially it's ability to wipe-out and destroy the snap, crackles, & pops of vinyl in the conversion process. If I was a vinyl nutter, I would have one for sure.
Must be the sign of the times, everyone is too poor......
"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"
Vinyl Studio is very reasonably priced and very flexible. And there are other software options available.
I just looked, the Amarra is Mac only and sells for over $500. Vinyl Studio is around $50.
I've been very happy with all the ADCs I've owned over the years. Which ones did you own that you felt were not good?
My first ADCs were in Sony DAT recorders and they satisfied me at the time. Later I bought a TASCAM DAT and a TASCAM CD recorder, both of which had good ADCs as far as I could tell. Next, I graduated to an Alesis Masterlink and now I have a TASCAM DA-3000 DSD recorder. I can't say I have any complaints about any of the ADCs in any of those digital recorders. Of course, I'm most fond of recording vinyl in DSD 5.6M with my TASCAM DA-3000, which seems to have one of the best sounding DACs I've heard, too.
Best regards,
John Elison
I am interested in getting one - to play 2Ch analogue recordings through in real time.
And run that output into a room DSP, crossover and delay box, and absolute polarity switching. Say from Mini-DSP with a nice big PSU.
I doubt I'll be buying an ADC before a year, or even two, is out.
I will be seeing how I go with swarm subs from 150Hz down (3rd order Lpass) and 1/3rd octave analogue Eqr's for the bass only, for the near future.
Instead I will be buying more recordings, and might buy an SACD player for the sound system. I'll be installing a spare pr of speakers for rear sound, using derived L-R signal plus differential delay. Until / If I have a lot of MCh. music.
The HT system in the family-room kitchen might get a universal MCh AV player, and sooner than the ADC and DSP kit.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
if you are going to do DSP.
Perhaps checkout DEQX a one-box ADC + speaker DSP correction + room DSP correction. And they are Australian - how can you not like that combination?
Regards
13DoW
And difficult and slow to set-up.[I have a friend who has had a used one for ages - and still hasn't Dsp'd the room response with it. !!?! yes!]
Especially considering that it seems that the right Mini-DSP box / boxes can do what I want for far less. Even with the price of RTA SW for my tablet, and a test signal source / test CD, and a suitable mike. I have a stand already.
Noting that I doubt I will be eq-ing the 63s much or at all, as they are dipoles,and won't be doing much in the bass. Even if their amps are being fed by a DSp/DAC output signal, I don't want to damage their impulse response with Eq.
The most I am likely to use is a slope-control ? > < to adjust the whole sound for over-bright or dull (old?!) recordings. And that might go in the analogue pre, if Mini-DSP's range can't meet that need.
Or there's D-Speakers latest room-eq device, which does have a slope control?
I Hope to learn a lot from the analogue 1/3rd octave Eq and Diy Swarm subs. There are three stages to that. All using 1/3rd octave eq per channel / even per bass source, when I can scrounge some more.
Stage 1? will use two pairs of the *Audiosphere 3s in an arc from and behind and back to the QUADs, *the speaker I bought instead of a pr of 57s back in the late 1970s. Plus another pair bought since. Two of which IME(&O) do a good enough job on 32ft organ pedal reeds with some room-gain. Their Fb being 38Hz with a QB3 slope. I won't be using the 20Hz sliders on them, but I will see if a touch of boost at 30Hz helps.
Stage 2 is when I add two sealed DIY (clam-shelled P-P driver) subs, and can give away the newer pair of Audiosphere 3s. It's then that I will need at least a fourth 1/3rd octave Eq.
Stage 3 is when I add two tall TL subs using a recent Martin King design and KEF B139s. And can use my original pair of 'sphere 3s for rear surround duty.
For an ADC - and DSP - I will still have to save up, so it will be a while. :-)!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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This is supposed to be one very nice sounding DAC from what I've read on the internet. Plus you can not only roll the output and rectifier tubes but the coupling caps as well! Talk about being able to tailor the sound to suit your personal taste! It's the DAC I'm considering to replace the Audio-gd Reference 7.1 DAC I recently had to sell.
I'm listening to Trust by Graus & Bronzwaer
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
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How could I have possibly missed that ADC in the Subject line? As Homer would so aptly say --- D'oh!!
I'm listening to: by Renee Rosnes
Thetubeguy1954 (Tom Scata)
Central Florida Audio Society -- SETriodes Group -- Space Coast Audio Society
Full-range/Wide-range Drivers --- Front & Back-Loaded Horns --- High Sensitivity Speakers
Like Jeff, I also own the modestly priced HRT Linestreamer +. I used mine to rip a couple dozen vinyl albums to 24/96 AIFF files for playback on my music server.The Linestreamer + is meant to take a linelevel signal into it's RCA jacks and output the digitized audio over USB to your computer. You do not connect the Linestreamer+ directly to the output of your phono cartridge. You can connect it to the output of your phono preamp but it should also have a way to adjust the signal level so a phono preamp with volume control or variable gain adjustment is very convenient. I used the PS Audio GCPH. Otherwise, you can use the output of your linestage and your linestage volume control.
The HRT Linestreamer+ is USB powered so no worries about your 240VAC 50Hz vs our 120VAC 60Hz here in the USA.
You can download the FREE Audacity software for Mac,PC, Linux, or you can buy specialized vinyl ripping software that might be more automated.
I used Audacity to capture the digitized audio and to make minor edits (clean up some pops and clicks). You can look for and see clipping in the software and backoff the signal level to minimize it. I would digitize an entire album side as one huge file then break it up into tracks manually, then manually input the metadata like Album, Artist, Track Title, etc.
My HRT Linestreamer + setup from a few years ago :
KAB Technics SL-1200mkII, Dynavector DV-20XH Cartridge, PS Audio GCPH Phono preamp, HRT Linestreamer +,
MacBook Pro laptop, Audacity audio capture and editing software. Grado SR-80i headphones for monitoring.
[EDIT]: The HRT Linestreamer+ might be discontinued. A couple other possible alternatives include the Furutech/Alpha Design Lab GT40, Rega Fono Mini A2D, NAD PP 4 Digital Phono, Parasound Zphono MM/MC Phono Preamplifier with USB, or used ADC on eBay.
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There are a decent number of assembled ADCs.
Benchmark, Ayre, Mytek, quite a few commercial units from the best known companies, and for the budget purchasers the HRT LineStreamer+ for around $300.
The HRT is limited to 24/96 and you need to control the volume, as it doesn't have it's own built-in.
I have digitized about 200 vinyl LPs and a few live concerts broadcast over satellite radio. I have been very happy with the results. 24/96 flac files sound really good, depending on the source.
The HRT would probably be cheaper than the kit.
I am getting on so I think maybe 24/96 might be adequate, with my hearing.But this will be through QUAD 63s, recently serviced, with updated protection, and smaller bypassed input caps.
They will be PLL filtered at 1st order from 150Hz.
What do you think?
Note that this is all down the track stuff, so I will be doing research and learning as I go. Click below for the next few - non ADC / no DSP - stages for the new system.
It's a post to a thread at General about EQ/room treatments and subs. It might be useful.
The room is our L-shaped Lounge/Dining room, with its long diagonal ~ 35ft. The plans, filter slopes and f3 points, five stereo power amps, etc reflect advice from Duke (Audio Kynesis/ Swarm subs), TomServo, ...
and Mike Samra .....
on how to adapt my modified LEAK Stereo 20 (valve) power amps (amps 4 and 5 and strapped to mono in parallel) as cold weather amps into the QUADs.
As back up speakers for when the 63 fo in for service I will be building a pair of Manger WR drivers into smallish sealed spheres for use 150 Hz up, with the LEAKs. So Winter will be servicing time for the QUADs.
The benefit will be that I will still have as good as possible impulse response, just as with the QUADs.
One step at a time, eh?!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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Hi, quick reply, I will try to look at the other stuff later. I think you are more technically knowledgeable than me.I don't think the Benchmark or Ayre run on separate power supplies.
The LineStreamer+ runs off the USB from your PC. So that would work.The more I listen to various file sizes, and read, I think 24/96 is ideal. The brickwall filters are high enough to do no damage.
To be honest, I think CDs that are well recorded can sound excellent with good digital gear.
I got a PS Audio PerfectWave Memory Player and I am using a Lindemann 825 as a dac, digital has never sounded better. Even my Benchmark Dac2 did a very good job of playing all types of files. DSD, 16/44 through to 24/192. It usually is the source material that matters. I have vinyl transferred at 24/96 that sounds great. I ripped a XRCD of Wasserman's Duets that is superb. The CD layer on SACDs sound better on my current digital gear, than the SACD played back on my Oppo 83se.If your goal is to digitize for the car, the LineStreamer+ will be all you need.
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Yep Digitising LP'S I had two slowly fail to work--No factory parts anymore so both refunded by Amazon without Question--Kudos to them!
I know Kevin Halverson the designer and while he was most prompt with reply he sated sadly no more service nor parts for the LineStreamer--pity great little product.
Why both slowly failed is still a Mystery--maybe something to do with the Bus USB Power --they need
over 450ma constant from your PC .I use a MacBookPro.
I finished my LP's with the excellent bang for the buck-- Furutech GT40a-it uses a Wall Wart.
Good Luck
D
I didn't experience any problems with my HRT Linestreamer+ used on a MacBook Pro for ripping my vinyl. I didn't rip that many though, maybe a few dozen albums.Is the Furutech GT40a still available? I had a hard time finding it recently as I browsed online. NAD makes a real inexpensive unit that is readily available but I don't know how good it is.
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My TWO(?) LineStreamers just slowly stopped working over a few days-
- bloody strange I do admit. No one had any answers although my 17" MBook is pre 2011.
Agree though fine value for the $$--yes the Furutech-now the "a" improved Version-- completed my
tasks like a dream --they are freely available and highly recommended.
Alternative to go further up the scale to the Ayre Q /Mytek/etc.
Des
Abe, the NAD only does 16/44 or 48. The ADL is still around, I think Audio Advisor and/or Parts Conexxion has them. They are an ADC, a DAC, a phono preamp, and I think a headphone amp. It is a lot for the money, if it sounds good. And I think the newer model now goes up to 24/192, although I think 24/96 is ideal for vinyl.
I recommended it to a friend who was just starting out, but he still hasn't made a move.
I think for someone who is doing vinyl the PS Audio on closeout might be the way to go. Especially if you don't have a decent phono preamp.
I thought about it, but Fremer said it was on the lean side, and I like my Lancelot Pro.
I didn't know about the NAD's 16/44, 48 limitation. I'm with you on 24/96 being the sweet spot and more than sufficient for digitizing vinyl.
I'm a little confused on the ADL. That's the same as Furutech, right? I'm thinking of the GT40a. After searching ADL GT40a, I found it on the Needledoctor website for $579 USD. You're right, it does a lot for the price and according to the specs, it supports up to 24/192.
I've been tempted by the closeout pricing on the PS Audio NuWave Phono Converter but I don't need a phono preamp and I've been happy with the results from my HRT Linestreamer+. If I were to invest a lot more time ripping my entire vinyl collection, I might take the PS Audio unit more seriously.
KP
I don't know if the curly gold braid thing hanging straight down is an Aiguillete, but it doesn't quite look like one to me.Ut's a requirement that ADC's wear one when in dress uniform.
No pointed tips hanging down and it doesn't have two or three curved falls either.
Maaate, close, but no cigar. ;-)!
I say old thing, he certainly WOOKS indowently waffish, don't he ......!
Have your heard the one about the young cavwalwy ensign, just joined the wegiment?
He was so wonderfully stupid, that all the other ensigns noticed? ;-)!!!
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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KP
So the Aiguillette is newer?!!
Hmmm.
Warmest
Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
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