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In Reply to: RE: What's the size of the downloadable high resolution catalog? posted by E-Stat on April 17, 2016 at 09:38:38
There have been a lot of bizarre claims made in this forum, but never a question quite so bizarre.
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I change equipment slowly and made the decision to go from a DAC that was limited to redbook max to a hi rez capable DAC. This leap was taken with little confidence that a significant amount of content would be available. This type of data over time would be informative.
Actually, this data is meaningless.
What music do you want to play through your DAC in higher than CD resolution? That is the question you ask your self, then make a list of those titles and go shopping. The total number of hi rez downloads available is statistical nonsense.
The content needs to be recorded in hi rez or made from analog masters in hi Rez to be worth it. I think it is valuable info for those contemplating buying a DAC. Decision making based on data is generally better than alternatives. Though I did take the leap of faith and found as expected that recording engineering quality is more important than bits, sampling frequency and file format.
If you can find some content you like at Blue Coast Records, you can hear the Union of engineering quality and hi rez.
"The content needs to be recorded in hi rez or made from analog masters in hi Rez to be worth it."
Uh, yes, those are the only two possibilities..not sure I understand your point
I don't purchase recording engineering. I purchase music.
I want the whole Simon & Garfunkel catalog in the best possible digital quality? I go to Pono and buy the 24/192 remasters. I want the best possible digital Bruce Springsteen titles? I go to HDTracks and buy the 24/96 Bob Ludwig remasters. I want the best possible Yes discography in digital? I buy the Steven Wilson remixes and the 192 flat transfers of the original mixes.
This is how shopping for (hi rez) music works. I don't shop by resolution or recording credits. It starts with the titles.
I won't repurchase without a significant SQ upgrade.
Of course..same applies to an SACD or CD remaster..no sideways moves for me...
..luckily there are good sources of information on the quality of hi rez remasters. The Steve Hoffman Forum has over over 2000 pages on HDTracks, Pono, Qobuz etc reviews. You find posters you trust and follow their opinions.
I was able to make very good purchasing decisions on the new Deep Purple 24/96 releases, and recent Miles Davis 24/192 remasters.
That is absolutely hilarious when somebody (who could that possibly be) asserted that:
Virtually every classic rock and pop catalog is available in higher than CD resolution.
There's only one term to describe that perception: delusional thinking.
That guy must be smoking some really good stuff. :)
What don't you understand about the word "classic"
I have 192 PCM of everything from Love to Paul Butterfield to Richard Thompson, to Steppenwolf, to freaking Cream.
Keep whining. And audiphiles wonder why record companies look at them with such disdain.
What don't you understand about the word "classic"
Yo, Isaak - you're posting in circles BRO.
My original observation of fact to which you took umbrage was not qualified in any way of "classic" anything.
In practice, I would consider that to refer to classical music which my guess is completely outside your listening tastes.
I have 192 PCM of everything from Love to Paul Butterfield to Richard Thompson, to Steppenwolf, to freaking Cream.
I have already awarded you a gold star for your part of the 0.5% collection!
And audiphiles (sic) wonder why record companies look at them with such disdain.
That would be because we would like to find folks who are in contact with reality. :)
Knowledge.
Perspective.
It seems you're not one who seeks to understand the music world.
Fine by me. :)
And what will it tell if the number is 40 terabytes? Or the number is 4000 terabytes?
that those statistics relate to the quantity of available content, i.e. the number of albums?
And what will it tell if the number is 40 terabytes?
I would agree that an examination of storage would not tell you anything particularly useful.
It seems no one else is interested in sharing your angst. ZZzzzzzzzz.
Why would I dread observing data? I'm an IT consultant. The last thing I want to have is a data-free conversation when I'm advising clients.
The math speaks for itself.
Seems the most optimistic answer lies around 0.5%. :)
Emerge from your bubble. You response has nothing to do with the fact that no one has their panties in a bunch about but you.
I have gigs and gigs and gigs of 24 bit and DSD albums it will take me years to get through.
You can't see 3 feet in front of you.
That is exactly the "so what" response that J Mac inadvertently thought I was referring to. Who cares about consumed storage?
You see the tree three feet in front of you.
I see the forest. :)
I think you have a comprehension problem. Or maybe I can't communicate clearly. Or both.
I simply used the term "gigs and gigs" to illustrate that I own SO much hi rez music it will be a helluva long time before I listen to it all.
I could not care less about how much storage it takes up. I have mega capacity G-Tech drives at the ready.
Congratulations! For that, I award you a gold star:
Perhaps in time the other 99.5% of the available music catalog will be found in a high resolution format. :)
But here is the one little fun factoid you are missing...
"99.5%" of music consumers think that Rebook CD IS high resolution..and even many think AAC and Mp3 are "normal". You can thank that liar Steve Jobs.
"99.5%" of music consumers think that Rebook CD IS high resolution
Actually, as I averred earlier, I think most folks consider MP3 such. Because the music industry has delivered lossy music on a vast scale.
Remember this?
You can thank that liar Steve Jobs.
Yes and no. What he did get right was the concept of file based music that transcends having to spin one disk at a time. I'm an old boomer who still has two turntables and a vinyl library, but I get the whole music server concept.
The music industry has failed to adopt high resolution on a wide basis (> 0.5%) as they originally did with the CD thirty five years ago using limited computer storage technology. That is no longer a problem. If hi-rez were the norm, then the public would consume it.
"The music industry has failed to adopt high resolution on a wide basis (> 0.5%) as they originally did with the CD thirty five years ago using limited computer storage technology. That is no longer a problem. If hi-rez were the norm, then the public would consume it."Then you don't understand basic economics.
The media companies will NOT invest in infrastructure for mass high resolution distribution because there is no market for it. One comes before the other. They DID invest in high resolution video streaming because blu ray and HD TV created huge interest...hence the success of Netfilx and Amazon Prime etc.
You can without question easily tell the difference between 480 and 1080 on a $500 TV. NOT so with high rez audio. On ear buds or computer speakers, 10 out of 10 average listeners would not hear any difference on let's say the 24/192 Blue Note remasters vs the CD produced from those files.
Here is a tid bit for you..iTunes receives thousands of 24/96, 24/48, and 24/44.1 wav an aiff files from the record companies then they create their 256 AAC files from those. They have chose NOT to sell not only lossless high rez, but not even CD quality files.
There is no market.
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Then you don't understand basic economics.
Then you have a reading retention disability. I've already acknowledged that here .
The media companies will NOT invest in infrastructure for mass high resolution distribution because there is no market for it.
It's already here, Sparky. I get 29 Mbps download capability on my phone (just AT&T LTE) and 53 Mbps on the computer.
10 out of 10 average listeners would not hear any difference on let's say the 24/192 Blue Note remasters vs the CD produced from those files.
Until they are exposed to that on a regular basis.
You still are responding to phantom posts. You have created your own reality.Bandwidth has NOTHING to do with high resolution distribution.
The labels have not invested in store fronts, or promotion. That is where the big dollars would have needed to go.
"Until they are exposed to that on a regular basis."
Nope.
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You still are responding to phantom posts.
Why don't we return to what you said in your last post?
The media companies will NOT invest in infrastructure for mass high resolution distribution...
The infrastructure is already there. You can rent Amazon data services to provide inexpensive web presence. Which would be a whole lot cheaper than the manufacturing, labor and supply chain intensive cost of producing, handling, shipping and writing off dead stock for physical media. That's the part Jobs got perfectly well.
The labels have not invested in store fronts, or promotion. That is where the big dollars would have needed to go.
Storefronts? Are you kidding me? Yeah, let's look at the phenomenal success of Tower Records, right? LOL!
Nope
If that's you view, then why not accept the reality of the merely token representation of high resolution recordings in the marketplace?
You continue to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
You can't have it both ways.
You claim my data is BS yet you want me to supply it. Nonsense.
With your fact-free posts, there is no way other than fiction.
You claim my data is BS yet you want me to supply it.
Data? What data? Perhaps I missed that. Please rectify my lack of awareness with the post(s) in which you have posted any data !
Here we have it. A record industry guy who ignores facts, and continues to cling with his imaginary perception of the world.
"digital" store fronts chucky. Not brik n mortar.
"digital" store fronts chucky.
Please lead me to the Universal Music download site where I can download anything from their catalog (in something other than lossy content).
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