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In Reply to: RE: Too easy! posted by E-Stat on April 13, 2016 at 18:05:30
Madonna's first 5 albums are available in 24/192. SNAP. OOOPS.
https://www.hdtracks.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=madonnaI happen to know that both taylor swift and rhianna records at 44.1/24. I promise you nothing will be gained over the CD.
Too bad for you if you don't have the Police SACD rips.
Your credibility is just about zero now on these matters.
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I happen to know that both taylor swift and rhianna records at 44.1/24.
The whole session was in 24/48
I really agreed with this sentiment of Justin's:
"The recording industry is in crisis, and there are many reasons for that, but one of the contributing factors is technical, and the technical side of the industry needs to take responsibility for the problems we are having. "
Amen.
but Madonna's early catalog was analog, after that it was all 44.1/16 and 44.1/24 PCM
We run the audio at 96k
You can link all you want. What you don't know is those TS final mixdowns and masters are 44.1.
Why are you linking to an article about Madonna's live show? No bearing at all what so ever on studio production.
Yet another 'phile who suffers from expert syndrome. You think you are an expert on everything...I do this for a living.
What you don't know is those TS final mixdowns and masters are 44.1.
That being the case only negates your previously stated assertion:
"Virtually every classic rock and pop catalog is available in higher than CD resolution."
Good job contradicting yourself!
Why are you linking to an article about Madonna's live show?
Perhaps you are unaware of music videos available on Blu Ray.
Look, you are way out of your league here.You original assertion that there is very little higher than CD resolution popular music available for sale is absolutely wrong but you cling to it, and your pride has force you to off on tangents.
Sure, you can pick a handful of artists..The Police, Robin Trower, The Bee Gees, etc where there is no HiRez.
But there is an enormous amount..CSNY, The Stones, Springsteen, Beach Boys, America, Black Sabbath, Eages, Coltrane, Miles Davis, Dylan, Judy Collins, Doors, Led Zep, Deep Purple, Iron Maiden, The ENTIRE BLUE NOTE CATALOG, Ramones, MC5, Paul McCartney, John Lennon, George Harrison, Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson, Neil Young, Elvis Presley, Allman Brothers, Santana, Janis Joplin, Blood, Sweat, Tears, James Taylor, R.E.M, Velvet Underground, The ENTIRE GRATEFUL DEAD studio output, the Cars, Simon & Garfunkel, Paul Simon, Lou Reed, Mahavishnu, Love, etc etc etc etc.
The freaking WHO...Frank FREAKING Sinatra...The Kinks...your premise is ridiculous.
NOT to mention most of the Decca, EMI, RCA Living Stereo etc classical recordings.
So you are uninformed and spreading BS.
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at least don't make that up either. Let's review what I actually posted :
Continued lack of wide support for superior high resolution formats [by the music industry]
There's not "pop" qualification to be found.
You original assertion that there is very little higher than CD resolution popular music available for sale is absolutely wrong
I'll repeat: if you find that one percent of the entire music catalog as "wide support", then we might agree.
Sure, you can pick a handful of artists..The Police, Robin Trower, The Bee Gees, etc where there is no HiRez.
I'm delighted you have reversed your earlier (ludicrous) supposition to the contrary.
your premise is ridiculous.
Only to those who are challenged by math.
So you are uninformed and spreading BS.
Unlike what you've posted, there isn't a single misstatement to be found.
You continue to illustrate the dysfunction and lack of awareness in the music industry. Did you note that statement was also NOT limited to a single genre as well?
Talking Heads, Ryan Adams, Glen Campbell, Patti Smith, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Joe Satriani, Don Henley, Thelonius Monk, Micheal Jackson, The Black Keys, Canned Heat, ELP, Jethro Tull, New York Dolls, Soundgarden, Otis Redding, Temptations, George Benson, Dean Martin, Pink Floyd, Nick Drake, Bob Marley, Leonard Cohen, Graham Nash, David Crosby, Bill Evans, Duke Ellington...............
One thing for sure is true..as they say..you can't fight audiophile hubris
with facts.
for continuing to illustrate your lack of understanding as to the totality of the music catalog.edit: BTW, I truly thank you for pointing out the Pono store. While there's little of interest to me available in high rez, they have a far wider collection of downloadable Redbook where you can purchase song by song. Since the albums are about twice the cost of what you find at Amazon, I'll still buy the CD and rip it.
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Then run it through HQPlayer and...
HIGH REZ!!!!
"Little of interest" to you? What a joke.I am cueing up the new CSNY Deja Vu in 24/192, the 24/192 Rush, Yes, Joni Mitchell, Miles Davis, and Elvis Costello remasters today..
and the sublime 24/96 and 24/192 Van Morrison remasters (the entire catalog!).... Those are remarkable!
..while you whine and complain and spread misinformation.
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that even you now acknowledge - I have not made a single misstatement.
My listening tastes are not stuck with past reissues.
Hooverphonic, Seal, Hozier, Leon Bridges, Alt-J, Mayer Hawthorne, M83, I could go on for pages..but you will cling to your alternate reality.
your posts to your superiors at Universal?
How do you think they would find your outright lies and utter lack of understanding as to the big picture of the music industry today - across ALL the genres?
Do you think your perspective places a positive image of the music industry and its understanding of what is actually available?
Tell you what - as one of their consumers, I'll do that for you! :)
Oh, trust me I did..and we had a heck of a laugh at your expense!
In between giggles we went through all the non reissue, non rock and non pop releases available on Pono, Qobuz, ProStudioMasters,Highresaudio, Superhirez, and HDT could not believe the numbers.
We don't want uninformed customers who think they know better and who spread utter nonsense on the internet. But again, typical audiophool..you are an expert on every subject known to man.
Enough, back to my high rez playlist..Rokia Traore, Jaques Brel, Charles Aznavour, and Anoushka Shankar.
Toodles.
utter ignorance and lying doesn't exist at all levels at Universal.
We'll see...
who spread utter nonsense on the internet.
You keep saying that and have yet to demonstrate that anything that I've said is a misstatement of fact.
Lies. Disillusionment. Lack of perspective.
That's a great testimony to your (lack of) profession. :)
So, let us know when you get past demonstrating the availability of more than 430,000 high resolution tracks. Good luck!
More horseshit..
Ben Harper, Father John Misty, Lord Huron, Lumineers, Punch Bros, Lizz Wright, Coldplay, Daft Punk, Ray Lamontagne, Weezer, Andrew Bird, Sufjan Stevens, Bombino, Gwen Stefani, Tori Amos, Alanis Morrisette, Wilco, Anoushka Shankar,Ryan Adams, Jake Bugg, Norah Jones....
Keep digging..you are sounding more ridiculous with every post.
you continue to find only spotty coverage. Is anyone really surprised? So, what actually is available in true high rez (> 44.1)?
Coldplay - 11 albums
Pono-1
HDTracks-2
Qobuz-1
ProStudioMasters-0
2 <> 11 FAIL!
Weezer - 10 albums
Pono-2
Qobuz-2
HDTracks-2
ProStudioMasters-1
2 <> 10 FAIL!
Bombino - 5 albums
Pono-2
HDTracks-1
Qobuz-0
ProStudioMasters-0
2 <> 5 FAIL!
It is trivial to find any number of other failures to deliver an artist's catalog. How about?
Paramore - 12 albums including soundtracks
Pono-1
HDTracks-1
Qobuz-3
ProStudioMasters-0
3 <> 12 FAIL!
Katy Perry - 4 albums
Pono-0
HDTtracks-0
Qobuz-1
ProStudioMasters-0
1 <> 4 FAIL!
Blue Foundation - 6 albums
Pono-0
HDTracks-0
Qobuz-0
ProStudioMasters-0
Give the studios a little time. Rome wasn't built in a day, and iTunes wasn't populated overnight. :)
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Big speakers and little amps blew my mind!
especially in light of the fact that MP3s are the preferred format. I enjoy what little I can find.
You'd think someone who actually works for a company like Universal might have a more accurate perspective. Something like, "yeah, I know but you have to appreciate the economics and the fact that the vast majority of the public just doesn't care".
That would have been an entirely reasonable response.
Instead, he continues to foment overt lies (he's even contradicted himself!) and acts like a juvenile having absolutely no understanding of the size of the music catalog. And complains that I live in an "audiophile bubble". I'll happily take that moniker when it means "objective perspective". :)
For me why I don't buy downloads is most are just upsampled 16/44 files. I can stream from tidal and upsample on my own and not pay ridiculous prices for downloads
Alan
I hear what you're saying and am aware of isolated cases where the "high resolution" claim has been fudged for a particular recording. Or, in the case of Qobuz, a "watermark" has been added. Bad form indeed.
Having said that, I have quite a few 96/24 recordings that are clearly superior to their Redbook counterparts at the top end. I have perhaps half a dozen examples of music in LP, Redbook and 96/24.
When not "fudged", I find that (true) 96/24 offers the best of what the other two formats offer.
On this we can agree!! Listen to Graham Nash's lovely new album in 24/96.
I still like 24/192 and DSD128 if it can be done. But I don't fret about it.
On this we can agree!!
There you go! :)
I will always select a (true) high resolution download when such is available.
....As will I. Bandcamp also offers many exclusive 24 bit versions of albums. I have hundreds from there.
Don't know about you, but in my digital library there is content across nearly a hundred different genres. You've brushed the surface of a couple.
The iTunes library itself has over forty-three million songs in it.
Good luck attempting to keep up!
Most at MP3 or 16/44
Alan
The context is what percent of the total music library available today - across all genres - is available in a true high resolution format.
Empirically, the data suggests that the most optimistic answer is about 0.5%.
Madonna's first 5 albums are available in 24/192. SNAP. OOOPS.
Oops indeed. You can't even count! Yes, four of the thirteen are available. I have three of those.
I happen to know that both taylor swift and rhianna records at 44.1/24. I promise you nothing will be gained over the CD.
First of all, what idiot records at 44/24? Fail. Again.
Too bad for you if you don't have the Police SACD rips.
Kindly point to where those can be (legally) downloaded. Best of luck to you!
Your credibility is just about zero now on these matters.
Those must be good drugs you're on! I'm now understanding quite well why the music industry is dysfunctional. :)
Obviously , you still don't understand the difference between 1 and 100. Token samplings are not what ensures success. The data proves that.
I was off by one album but you can't even complete a simple search.Hate to pop another bubble, but Madonna's early catalog was analog, after that it was all 44.1/16 and 44.1/24 PCM.
Who records in 44.1? How about 90% of all artist who make synthetic pop, like Rhianna, and Pharrel Williams. I use the term "synthetic" not as derogatory term concerning the music, but meaning that the only live instrument is the vocal most of the time.
Takes quite a set of stones to think you know better than the artists.
Can they come to your job and tell you how to do it?
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I was off by one album but you can't even complete a simple search.
Do you understand the difference between 4 and 13? Is that too difficult for a music mogul to comprehend?
How about 90% of all artist who make synthetic pop, like Rhianna, and Pharrel Williams.
Sorry, I don't begin to believe the ramblings of such a clueless poster. Now it's your turn to provide substantiation. Which will never occur.
Yeah, no answer to The Police thing. No surprise there. You have no understanding of legal implications, do you?
Or dozens of other artists if I bothered to take a few more minutes. 1 <> 100.
Takes quite a set of stones to think you know better than the artists.
Do you really think that the artists define the recording resolution? Are you that utterly clueless? Back your claim with any notion of fact if you expect anyone to believe you.
Clearly, all you have is empty speculation and poor ability to count numbers even on one hand. It didn't even require you to use your toes if Madonna's catalog were really available as you originally opined.
So much for anything in the way of factual data.
In the 25 years I was in the studio very few artists ever had a clue what we were doing technically
Alan
LOL. Enjoy that Audiophile bubble. Nobody was better at it than your mentor.
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attempt to baffle with bull$hit, right? :)
Do you expect anyone to actually believe your speculations?
Nobody was better at it than your mentor.
To which one do you refer? Dr. Cooledge, as member of the board of the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra, was involved with getting the Telarc recording contract for many a fine result.
I participated in one of their wonderful recordings where I learned what real recording engineers do. At least those with integrity.
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