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In Reply to: RE: Not really... posted by Ivan303 on November 21, 2015 at 15:14:32
your experience aside, how does that affect the market? If, as you say, "99% of your listening" is with a multibit DAC, doesn't that speak to your own decisions about the market penetration of DSD content and/or opportunity?Like you, I have heard great DSD, but it was a rare experience and not because it's hard to build great DSD digital systems. You may well buy a great DSD DAC. So might I. Does that mean more DSD discs/files will appear that I actually want to buy?
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
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Unless you count the one in my SACD player, so that alone explains the 99% part.
Plus I rarely if ever purchase downloads anyway.
Have an offer from the folks at PS Audio for a one week demo of their latest and greatest Direct Stream DAC which I may do just to see the difference. Did make it clear that I likely would NOT spring for it but they seem to want to get a few into the hands of serious, influential audiophile like me. OK, that can't be it so who knows?
That said, if Jared Sacks were to gift me copies of his entire catalog of DSD recordings I might spring for a decent $5000 DSD DAC just to listen to them!
Until then, a lot are up for streaming on TIDAL and QOBUZ, albeit in PCM. :-(
to read about your experience with PS, perhaps compared to your 1704 DAC. I've managed to compare a PS DAC with an Accustic Arts DAC from Germany (1704) in a dealer system but not at home. For me it was unconvincing but maybe you'll have an epiphany.
I must be some kind of digital fundamentalist, or some such, which makes me intellectually uncomfortable. But R-2R and New Multibit (boutique, discrete) seems to deliver sound that's so much better, compared to the current crop of 'I-can't-believe-it's-not-multibit' DSD/bitstream pretenders, it's almost depressing!
In an ideal world, the likes of Metrum, Soekris, EC Designs and others, would rapidly begin to license out their designs to other high-end or audiophile manufacturers to use in their own DACs.
Fingers crossed.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
I own the Monarchy M24 DAC, which contains the mighty PCM-63, and have heard extensively the Monarchy NM24 DAC, which has the PCM-1704. The digital filter (DF1704), receiver chip and analog output stage are nearly identical (different resistor values for the IV conversion, which is passive). You know which one actually SOUNDS better? The original with the PCM-63. Really.
I don't have an opinion about this DSD stuff yet because the last player I actually heard was a modified SACD 777 that had Vacuumstate level 5+ mods (all new analog outputs installed). That was really good but I cannot say it was better than the best PCM I have heard.
I hope to try some native DSD with a true DSD DAC soon though.
I've been deliberately avoiding the PCM63. I think it'll be great but they're even harder to reliably unearth than PCM1704s! They're no longer made, is that right?
I'd like to hear a couple of the new boutique, discrete multibit DACs first (EC Designs, Soekris). If I have no joy, I have no doubt I will retreat back into vintage DACs until the next round of DAC development.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Well, I have never heard of one dying...
I too would like to hear a new discrete DAC like this Soekris...intriguing but not necessarily better for 16/44... 24/188 ok.
Buy as many as you want (but not cheap!)
Link below: Stock up now and sell them as NOS when they're gone.
Like you, I've thought about such plan. May still do that at the end of the year, beginning of next. To make this effective though, I imagine I will need to squirrel away the concomitant filter as well, the DF1704. Could be a substantial investment...
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Do yourself a favor and get one of the Schiit Multibit Dacs. Greatr equipment!
I hope to hear an Yggdrasil one day. But there's a lot of new multibit loveliness going on right now, which is great.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
That said, I've been around audio long enough to have learned that just about the time I begin to think in absolutes, something come along to prove me wrong.
Love to spend a few hours with the DAC pictured above. Who knows, might nevr think about DSD again! =:-0
"Must sound heavenly"
Absolutely! After all what can beat "Absolutely pure sound"?
Remind me again, just what ARE the units of sound purity, and, for that matter, what establishes their upper limit? I think he's pulling our legs at the least... And what makes it work is that I can't tell for sure!
Rick
My current DAC uses four PMC1704U-K's and Trinity DAC uses 16 so it must sound at least four time better, right?
Must sound heavenly, that Trinity DAC. ;-)
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