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In Reply to: RE: Yggdrasil? Gungnir Multi? Anyone? posted by Feanor on September 06, 2015 at 05:18:18
For about one month now I have been living with the Yggdrasil. I use it in conjunction with a Marantz NA 11S1 network device. The ethernet to SP/DIF bridge in the Marantzhas a tap out before the DAC to feed an external DAC if desired. I purchased a AudioGD Reference 1 dac about 5 years ago. Like the other three units in the series it uses 8 AD1704 DACs and sounds outstanding. The Marantz sounded very good, but not as good as either of the multibit DACs, mostly in sound stage presentation.
I decided to replace the AudioGD with a new design mostly because of the heat generated in this unit. After over five years of use I wondered how much longer the electrolytic caps last in that oven. I replaced the AudioGD with the Yggdrasil and so far I am more than satisfied with the change.
RD
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Like you, I can live with the Marantz house sound, albeit I have the MUCH lower-on-the-food-chain NA-7004 and would love to move up and to a R2R Ladder type DAC.
And still use the Marantz as a streamer.
$!200 for the Gungnir Multi could work for me if it's within a few percentage points of the Yggdrasil sound-wise.
Who knows?
Schiit has a prety good money back return program. You can always buy the unit, try it out, and return it for 95% of your money back if you don.t like it.
RD
I have a Marantz SA-8005. It sounds pretty darn good. I would love to compare it to some of the higher end units from Schiit but don't feel like paying a 5% restocking fee ($100+ on the Yggd) if the Schiit doesn't measure up to expectations.
I do not think you will be paying any restocking fee. There will be a significant improvement over your Marantz. The Yggdrasil has bettered, in my system, the Hugo, the Weiss DAC2 and others.
For me, a component does not only need to best my existing components to warrant my purchase of it. In addition, it needs to be clearly worth the additional cost. While I will take your word that the Schiit unit bests the Marantz SA-8005, I am not so convinced that it would be worth the additional ~$1400 it would cost me over what i paid for the Marantz.
I compared the Marantz SA-8005 with the Bifrost Multibit. The Bifrost was fed from the Marantz through coax and I set-up the premp for 1 button switching between the two. Music was classical, Jazz, opera, voice (both male and female), pop, and rock. This was a blind test (someone else did the listening and evaluation). While the Bifrost Multibit was more detailed, the Marantz beat it on dynamics. The Marantz was more musical and more enjoyable. I'm keeping the Bifrost MB in the system for another couple of weeks and will compare again then. Yes, the Bifrost MB is not the Yggy but given what we heard, I wouldn't be so sure that the Yggy will hands down be preferred over the SA-8005.
I'm would be surprised that some people will prefer other DACs over the Schiit Multibits for "musicality".
The Multibits are highly revealing of detail, but aren't "warm". For that matter the details on the recording might be good or bad. I find that the greatest improvement, in my case with the Bifrost Multibit, is from the best recordings and from 16/44.1; mediocre/poor recordings are not nearly so improved.
I love the music of Dmitri Shostakovich
Then don't purchase it. No big deal.
but I might do that with the agreement of Schiit to give me my money back on ONLY one that I chose to send back.
I would do that.
Otherwise, I'd never know if I bought the right one. :-(
RD:
Not familiar with the Reference 1 -- was it running class A all the time?
Thanks,
Doug
"Do you need those light bulbs on your stereo?" - my niece, looking at a Dynaco ST-70
I am confused. I have a Master 7 and it doesn't get warm at all. The output stages of these dacs are like a preamp, not a power amp. All preamps and these dac outputs run in class A and shouldn't put out much Heat. Does the one use built in power supply regenerators? Some of there dacs due. That might generate the heat
Alan
I don't know for sure, but I think that the output stages are class A. I do not see how it can generate all that heat if it was not class A.
RD
The AudioGD DACs seem to have pretty good rep so your experience says something for the Ygg.
I love the music of Dmitri Shostakovich
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