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In Reply to: RE: The problem is the obsolete CD format, not digital. posted by Todd Krieger on September 05, 2015 at 01:28:31
> If you took a vinyl recording, and digitized it to CD, a lot of the distortion from the vinyl would go away.
While that may be true, the distortion that goes away is inaudible anyway. Only distortion on frequencies up to 7 or 8-kHz would be audible to young people that can actually hear past 15-kHz. Most of us old folks can't hear past 10-kHz and I don't believe that anyone can hear past 20-kHz.
The distortion that matters in vinyl and in digital is harmonic distortion of fundamental music frequencies. Distortion on these frequencies is at least an order of magnitude higher from vinyl than from digital. That's why digital can accurately replicate the sound of vinyl.
Intermodulation distortion in digital is also orders of magnitude less than vinyl. All types of distortion is lower with digital than vinyl. It is so easy to prove this, but the vast majority of vinyl enthusiasts who argue the opposite have never made a high-quality digital recording of a vinyl record. In fact, the vast majority of vinyl enthusiasts refuse to even own a high-quality digital front-end. And, by high-quality, I don't necessarily mean expensive. Check out the post at the link.
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I hate to admit it but last time I heard a good cassette it had noise, limited bandwidth but loads of boogie factor. Part of the problem with the digital Ted
Chino logical development is the way std./corporate engineering practices frame audio performance with what can be measured, but the musical event is much larger than what can be measured. I have heard Mapleshade CDs that sound amazing, I have recorded LPs into digital using a cheap Best buy vinyl transfer box, that blow away the cd issue. I think in the drive for profits they are issuing shit, glazing it w/snake oils from marketing and pseudo science and laughing all the way to the bank. Music lovers and artists are left in a labyrinth of BS, overpriced crap and flavor of the month gadgets
If you are talking about most pre-recorded cassette tapes played on a typical player, then I would agree with you. I am talking about what the medium is capable of, which is to say the best available cassette tapes played on an excellent cassette player such as my Nak CR-7a. The bandwidth is good and the noise is low with metal tape, and noise is inaudible with Dolby C if that is used, although I prefer the noise as Dolby is not transparent musically.
If you are talking about durability, then there is no question that durability of cassette tapes is worse than LPs played on good equipment with great care.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
I used to own two Nakamichi Dragon cassette recorders that I personally adjusted for optimum performance. I was an electronic technician with the necessary test equipment to optimize all the internal adjustments on my two Dragons, which really sounded exquisite. However, when I bought my first DAT, a Sony Walkman TCD-D3, it put the Dragons to shame. Within a couple of years I bought another Sony component DAT recorder and sold my two Dragons.
I originally bought a Sony TCD-D3 Walkman DAT recorder because I was tired of wow & flutter from Walkman cassette players and I liked to take my music with me on business trips. I decided I would rather put up with a little digital grunge in order to have pitch stability with my favorite piano pieces. The shock of my life came when I discovered that when I copied a vinyl LP there was no digital grunge at all. My DAT recordings sounded just like vinyl LPs with all the same "boogie factor" and pleasing analog sound quality. That is when I had no more use for my two beautiful Nakamichi Dragons, which I used only for copying vinyl.
Best regards,
John Elison
Do you have any working DAT machines? Do they still read (some) old DAT tapes? If so, please send me a PM. (I have a friend with an archive of DAT tapes that he can not play and he can't find a working machine.)
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Hi Tony,
I have a TASCAM DA-20 Mk II DAT recorder, but I don't want to sell it. I have a 5" briefcase full of old DATs myself.
I just took a look on eBay and there are tons of DAT recorders on sale for less than $100. Where has your friend been looking?
Good luck,
John Elison
He has looked at (and bought) some on EBAY. They didn't work.
Tony Lauck
"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar
Well, I have only one DAT recorder left and I'm not selling it. Sorry!
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