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In Reply to: RE: About depth of field with digital posted by beppe61 on May 08, 2015 at 06:21:38
Beppe,
See my last post in answer to T-bone. Most recommended the vinyl mono version for absolute distortion free natural sound/stage. Though the CD is magnificent also.
25 years experience with digital: digital is digital regardless of price, tweaking, upgrading, rumours on the Asylum, hifi magazines, advertisements.
All DAC's in my opinion sound the same, you cannot have a fault in the DAC because then it doesn't do anything, compare digital TV, the DAC must be faultless , if not picture gone or distorted. I am afraid you want something digital is not capable of. I quit some time ago and spend my money on nicer things, money enough but money can't buy me satisfactory digital reproduction.
Biggest differences imo after the DAC, one lousy opamp can destroy everything. But that is almost never the case as tweaking with valve output has proven.
It's all in the software, omit bad CD's. if you bought a bad one throw it in the bin, complaining to the music industry senseless, I complained several times, letters, e-mail, no response or arrogant reply like you must renew your DAC, useless, arrogant.
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Hi and thanks again.
Well honestly your statements shock me and make me think seriously.
I indeed heard differences ... but i am not that sure anymore.
It could have been something else instead of the actual dac used ?
I have also complicated my life because i wanted all the cd collection on a hard drive ...
But i really got the message. I will relax a bit for now, wait and see what will happen.
But i am too lazy and messy for vinyl ... i should have to raise from the sofa every 20 minutes or so ... unacceptable (joke .. this would make me just good)
I am mainly concerned with the delicacy of the system.
Thanks a lot again.
Kind regards,
bg
Beppe,
Recording is step one, postprocessing is step 2, here things go wrong in the wrong hands. If you want more soundstage, ambiance and that kind of things rip a favorite track to the computer and enhance it with AUDACITY or any other digital processor with reverb, delay, echo, compression, to much to mention, and burn it on CD-r. Very interesting. Or buy a digital soundprocessor, very cheap nowaday's or use the line-in and line-out of a junkyard homecinemaset, all kinds of ambiance possebility's at hand, you can experiment what you want and makeup your mind if this is what you want.
Postprocessing is now in your own hands, I use it for my piano recordings when someones wants his own CD. Just recording sounds very dry and some compression is necessary otherwise dynamics are to big for replay on non high end gear.
> > If you want more soundstage, ambiance and that kind of things rip a favorite track to the computer and enhance it with AUDACITY or any other digital processor with reverb, delay, echo, compression, to much to mention, and burn it on CD-r. < <
That's an artificial non-factual, poorly conceived way of recreating a false "soundstage" which will sound false in any decent system ... totally unrelated to the recreation of any soundstage based on the actual recorded event.
you're confused ...
Posted by TBone (A) on May 8, 2015 at 15:35:37
Reading my post is not your strongest ability.
It is a suggestion for Beppe to play around and to establish what he is looking for. He can be his own engineer. I have lots of fun creating own recordings of my guests on the piano with the aid of Audacity. And I only want other people to have fun also, in Beppes case to set his mind at ease and give him some insight in recording and postprocessing.
Again you were premature in your reply. Glad you're not my neighbour.
That's an artificial non-factual, poorly conceived way of recreating a false "soundstage" which will sound false in any decent system ... totally unrelated to the recreation of any soundstage based on the actual recorded event.
That's the problem with most recordings: recreation of the soundstage, that doen't exist anymore, only on special vintage recordings or some demonstration stuff. It's almost ALWAY's a false artificial soundstage made by some "engineer" to please the taste of the moment, to comply to the newest fad (surround etc). Ever listened to recordings from 1930 up to now ? Every year a new sound artificially made by postprocessing. Listen to the variety of echochambers, the copycats thereafter. Sound for sound's sake.
Dynamic compression on hardrock, grunge is not for technical reasons, it's a stylistic approach for the kids, they think it's cool. Remove the compression and there is nothing left, just amateurs.
Happy listening, have a nice weekend.
> > Though the CD is magnificent also. < <
Your hypocritical train just derailed ...
Within the limitations of digital magnificent, a good chance for you if you have both format to compare vinyl/digital. I prefer the vinyl for the natural sound of all instruments. Yes buddy, I have bat ears.
No hard feelings however it's not your fault growing up in the digital age.
Rock on !!!
> > No hard feelings however it's not your fault growing up in the digital age. < <
I'm 54, bought my first Yami receiver/turntable at 12, obviously I grew up with ONLY vinyl & tape. In terms of "musicality", well, my father and brother were experienced musical performers. I grew up with piano's, several types of guitars and many wind instruments. I attend at least a dozen concerts annually ... so ... I believe I've developed a pretty firm grasp on the true meaning of "musicality" - from many a perspective.
And on an absolute basis, my vinyl rig is amazingly realistic, using best case software it has trumped 100% of all digital contenders it's ever faced, including a few very serious SACD players.
Therefore ...
I ask: why would I be content listening to my particular CDP 95% of the time, especially considering my long developed musical experience/expectations + having access to a great sounding vinyl rig, always on tap?
A: Because I'm not smoking pot.
B: Because I grew up with CD and therefore drank the coolaid.
C: Because I have human, not bat ears.
D: Because my CDP meets my "analog" based expectations.
(hint: not A or B, or C)
So I have 14 years of additional experience.(that includes 78's)
Uncountable concerts, classical, opera, country, rock and so on, guitar/ piano of myself. There were times even PA systems were almost high fidelity ! Valves !
No gear can compete with live instruments, vocals, you know, I know.
Music must be earpleasing, that's why the orchestra tunes before the gig begins. It's also the difference between crappy amateurs and a good pro band : good tuning of the instruments.
Again, don't lose your sense of humor now : digital is not earpleasing FOR ME.
But convenient I have to admit. Sunday barbecue in the garden with the gettoblaster playing my favorites and favorites of my company.
Nice weekend, lots of happy listening or whatever despite no bat ears.
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